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by rtdmmcintyre on 27 November 2013 - 23:11
their time has already ran out for anything dealing with the florida lemon law.
by SitasMom on 28 November 2013 - 01:11
I got a puppy like this one, it was treated and the stuff want away and never came back, she lived a healthy live until she developed diabetes at age 10. 2 years later she passed.
Dogs can develop this due to stress, illness, after spay/neuter, etc.
If it were me, I would have immediately asked them to pay for the vet bill, if it didn't reoccur, i'd guess it was stress. If it did reoccur, I'd ask for them to take the puppy back and give me my money back.
Dogs can develop this due to stress, illness, after spay/neuter, etc.
If it were me, I would have immediately asked them to pay for the vet bill, if it didn't reoccur, i'd guess it was stress. If it did reoccur, I'd ask for them to take the puppy back and give me my money back.
by Darcy on 28 November 2013 - 01:11
I have not read all the posts, but dwilliams, I have an almost 15 yo male GSD that had demodex as a pup. we did no dips. we treat orally with swine ivermectin from fleet farm and he has never had another immune issue in his life and never got demodex again. I don't know you or the breeder of your pup, but I guarantee i would not be dipping my pups body in anything for demodex on it's ear. I would also not be doing any vaccinating... and I would not be spaying her during this either. JMO.
Darcy
Darcy
by dwilliams on 28 November 2013 - 07:11
To rtdmmcintyre: Your very well worded post was indeed appreciated. Further, your sincere intentions came through loud and clear. Thank you ! 
T0 SitasMom: Firstly, thank you for your post ! I spoke with Mike, the breeder, the same day that my pup was diagnosed with dermodicosis. In addition, I informed him that based on my pups diagnosis that he should contact the other customers who had also purchased a pup from the Dam who harbors the disease so that those owners could watch for signs of puppy mange and immediately treat when needed. As my family and I have already grown attached to our pup we cannot even fathom the idea of trading her for another dog despite her disease. As such, I did ask the breeder to assume the costs for the medical treatments. To make a long story short, the breeder made it clear, amongst his ramblings to avoid discussing the problem at hand, that he was unwilling to offer any assistance whatsoever.
To Darcy: My pup has not started the "dip" baths as her veterinarian recommended first trying other methods of controlling the disease. Thanks for posting !
T0 SitasMom: Firstly, thank you for your post ! I spoke with Mike, the breeder, the same day that my pup was diagnosed with dermodicosis. In addition, I informed him that based on my pups diagnosis that he should contact the other customers who had also purchased a pup from the Dam who harbors the disease so that those owners could watch for signs of puppy mange and immediately treat when needed. As my family and I have already grown attached to our pup we cannot even fathom the idea of trading her for another dog despite her disease. As such, I did ask the breeder to assume the costs for the medical treatments. To make a long story short, the breeder made it clear, amongst his ramblings to avoid discussing the problem at hand, that he was unwilling to offer any assistance whatsoever.
To Darcy: My pup has not started the "dip" baths as her veterinarian recommended first trying other methods of controlling the disease. Thanks for posting !
by Blitzen on 28 November 2013 - 13:11
ONCE AGAIN, if this is the only area of demodex this dog has, it is not a generalized case, it is localized and does not need to be treated unless it spreads to other areas or gets bigger. It's just not a big deal unless there are more effected areas or unless this one is spreading. IS THIS THE ONLY AREA AND IS IT GROWING?
And unless you know for sure that the dam of your puppy has produced GENERALIZED demodex in this litter or another, you are incorrect in assuming that MD did anything wrong by breeding her. Almost every dog in the world "harbors" demodex and passes it on to their nursing puppies. When those puppies are stressed in any way, some of them develop localized demodex. The concern is if any develop generalized demodex as a result of a compromised immune system. Very few breeders of GSD's who have bred multiple litters have never bred a litter that didn't have a puppy or two turn up with localized demodex, it happens all the time in this breed. If every breeder would withdraw from breeding every female that every produced a puppy with localized demodex, the breed would soon fail to exist.
And unless you know for sure that the dam of your puppy has produced GENERALIZED demodex in this litter or another, you are incorrect in assuming that MD did anything wrong by breeding her. Almost every dog in the world "harbors" demodex and passes it on to their nursing puppies. When those puppies are stressed in any way, some of them develop localized demodex. The concern is if any develop generalized demodex as a result of a compromised immune system. Very few breeders of GSD's who have bred multiple litters have never bred a litter that didn't have a puppy or two turn up with localized demodex, it happens all the time in this breed. If every breeder would withdraw from breeding every female that every produced a puppy with localized demodex, the breed would soon fail to exist.
by 1GSD1 on 28 November 2013 - 14:11
READ Blitzen's last sentence. That was how I ended my post on this. I don't think you are listening. Please don't buy any living creature again if you can't assume the risk that "something" may not be perfect.
by SitasMom on 28 November 2013 - 14:11
Its no more a disease than fleas, or intestinal worms.............
by laura271 on 28 November 2013 - 15:11
"Please don't buy any living creature again if you can't assume the risk that "something" may not be perfect."
Exactly. Puppies aren't mechanical widgets, they are complex living beings. We just received the results for our dog's hip and elbow x-rays- sadly, not good news. However, it would never occur to me to throw a public tantrum and blame the breeder.
Exactly. Puppies aren't mechanical widgets, they are complex living beings. We just received the results for our dog's hip and elbow x-rays- sadly, not good news. However, it would never occur to me to throw a public tantrum and blame the breeder.
by michael68 on 28 November 2013 - 17:11
Nustock
by dwilliams on 28 November 2013 - 20:11
To Blitzen: The question that you posted in ALL CAPS was partially answered in the third sentence of my very first post concerning this situation. As to whether or not the mange is still growing - as previously indicated it has only been a little more than 48 hours since my pup received injections and ointment at the veterinarian. As such, there are not any noticeable changes, negative or positive, that can be seen at this time. As for Miami-Dade County K-9 Services (MD) and the Dam of my pup - I recently received an e-mail from the breeder which claims that I've said that I was aware that the puppy was sick and that I chose to purchase her anyway. Well, to say the least, the aforementioned claim made by MD, in and of itself, acknowledges that the breeder was not only aware that there was a medical condition with my pup but further that he knew the source of that problem. Although it's already been said, I will make it clear again - I was never informed by MD of any adverse medical concerns regarding my pup or her Dam.
To SitasMom: If dermodicosis is no worse than fles, etc., why did you post earlier today that if this had been your situation then you would have asked MD to pay the veterinarian bills? Further, you indicated that if the mange reoccurred then you would want to return the dog and get your money back! Quite honestly, there is no need to answer as I certainly do not value the opinion of someone who can turn 180 degrees in such a short period of time. Which leads me to a thread, not the only one of it's kind mind you, where an OP was bashed for essentially stating that everyone has the right to their own opinions and as such other members should not force their opinions on people as though they were facts. Of course, I have noticed upon browsing through several threads that it is generally the same usual suspects who write as though their opinions are facts while being snide (see my last post to Hundmutter if you want to understand what I mean by the "usual suspects"). At any rate, what made the aforementioned thread entitled "Evil, Mean, Wicked and Nasty" a bit different is that a GSD Admin supported the OP's right to share what he believed without being subjected to the meanest that some members on this forum seem to thrive upon. Additionally, besides giving the OP
one of the things that the GSD Admin wrote was "I will repeat it again, most older members left here long before there were admins and they left for the reasons listed by the OP. You can't spin it any other way". The thread is listed in "hot topics" and it is interesting reading - check it out if you like. At any rate, I shared all of this to say that I could care less about the few Bad Apples on this forum and will continue to post, share and comment when I'd like. Afterall, a few bad apples can not spoil the whole barrel. Further, thanks to my post I've gotten some good advice via PM's and additionally the countless others, that will not post on this forum so as to avoid all of the unnecessary back and forth, are indeed aware of what my original intentions were and still are. No further time will be wasted on the judgemental and/or the unhelpful posts to this thread. Peace.
To SitasMom: If dermodicosis is no worse than fles, etc., why did you post earlier today that if this had been your situation then you would have asked MD to pay the veterinarian bills? Further, you indicated that if the mange reoccurred then you would want to return the dog and get your money back! Quite honestly, there is no need to answer as I certainly do not value the opinion of someone who can turn 180 degrees in such a short period of time. Which leads me to a thread, not the only one of it's kind mind you, where an OP was bashed for essentially stating that everyone has the right to their own opinions and as such other members should not force their opinions on people as though they were facts. Of course, I have noticed upon browsing through several threads that it is generally the same usual suspects who write as though their opinions are facts while being snide (see my last post to Hundmutter if you want to understand what I mean by the "usual suspects"). At any rate, what made the aforementioned thread entitled "Evil, Mean, Wicked and Nasty" a bit different is that a GSD Admin supported the OP's right to share what he believed without being subjected to the meanest that some members on this forum seem to thrive upon. Additionally, besides giving the OP
one of the things that the GSD Admin wrote was "I will repeat it again, most older members left here long before there were admins and they left for the reasons listed by the OP. You can't spin it any other way". The thread is listed in "hot topics" and it is interesting reading - check it out if you like. At any rate, I shared all of this to say that I could care less about the few Bad Apples on this forum and will continue to post, share and comment when I'd like. Afterall, a few bad apples can not spoil the whole barrel. Further, thanks to my post I've gotten some good advice via PM's and additionally the countless others, that will not post on this forum so as to avoid all of the unnecessary back and forth, are indeed aware of what my original intentions were and still are. No further time will be wasted on the judgemental and/or the unhelpful posts to this thread. Peace.Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top
