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by Schznd on 22 October 2013 - 21:10
More bullshit and mis-information. USCA met with the WUSV and requested that they (the WUSV) pick the slate of judges for the US World Qualifier. The WUSV will pick 3 judges, USCA can accept or discharge 1 as well as the WDA or accept all, which will most likely be the case with USCA and the WUSV will pick the judge. Bring in someone like Penti and see how many of those inflated V scores there are.
by Schznd on 22 October 2013 - 21:10
The WUSV qualifier in 2014 is the USCA's last chance .. if they cheat again the WUSV will stop the qualifier. Consider the source indeed .. an organization that lied to it's membership and the WUSV for 5 years!!
The WDA went to the WUSV and requested to go back to the old way of picking the team, no qualifier, WUSV said NO. Oops.
The WDA went to the WUSV and requested to go back to the old way of picking the team, no qualifier, WUSV said NO. Oops.
by Chaz Reinhold on 22 October 2013 - 23:10
One thing that caught my eye is the fact that one judge bred every dog that was entered from his country. They didn't do too well in his phase, so I'm not implying anything. In fact, I didn't even see their performances. Just don't find it usual that an NCAA football Ref does his Son's game. It was already brought up that a score was favorable to a certain dog. I probably will forget in a week, but I plan on keeping an eye on whether that dog gets used by the judge, or not.
Oh, and it is COULDN'T care less.
Oh, and it is COULDN'T care less.
by bubbabooboo on 23 October 2013 - 14:10
The USCA hasn't done anything sportsmanlike or honest in years with the WDA or the WUSV. The WUSV brought the WDA and USCA to the table as they can do that as THEY the WUSV are in CHARGE .. the USCA did nothing but attend the meeting as required.. The reason for the meeting was that the WDA had a motion on the agenda to have the USA qualifier ended and go back to the equal 3-3 split formula. The WUSV did not want this motion to be voted on for two reasons .. the WUSV board has all the power it needs to decide the matter and setting a precedent to have the membership vote on an internal USA national issue was not warranted. Second the WUSV wants to continue the USA qualifier as to discontinue it sets another bad precedent and they .. THE WUSV .. have ALL the power and authority and can enforce it without the consent of the USCA or the WDA. Dan Yee was forced to withdraw his motion from a vote by the WUSV membership. In exchange the WUSV decreed that they would set the ground rules, supply judges and run the organizational rules of the 2014 WUSV qualifier in the USA. If the WUSV finds the USCA once again cheating as they have done in the last three years the qualifier will be abolished and the guilty punished (implied). The WUSV is full up of the USCA and their cheating and lies and will in 2014 run the qualifier with their rules and judges to insure a fair contest. I am betting USCA judge Caputo who openly cheated in 2013 will not be one of the judges chosen by the WUSV for consideration. WDA competitors are sick of paying their money and spending their time coming to a rigged event with corruption and favoritism by the USCA taking away their chance to advance ( think Krista Wade 2013 ). The WUSV is sick of the USCA cheating and lies. The WDA is not pure as the driven snow either but the systematic cheating by the USCA at the 2013 WUSV qualifier has brought it to this. Alloway bears responsibility as he was at the helm and either picked or approved of Caputo and what he did. The cheating at the 2013 WUSV qualifier has not been forgotten any more than the cheating at the AWDF Championship which deprived Balabanov and Ebor of the 1st place they deserved.
by Unknown on 23 October 2013 - 15:10
Bubbabooboo
Once again you are stating things as fact of which you have no idea what you are talking about.
Fact 1.
Dan Yee approached USCA for the meeting, not the WUSV.
Fact 2.
The WUSV was NOT involved at all in the meeting or how things were worked out. And they made NO demands or suggestions to the terms.
Fact 3.
The WUSV made NO suggestions or demands on the outcome of the meeting. They simply asked the WDA to contact us and try to work it out between the 2 organizations.
They do not want to be bothered by the infighting of organizations in ANY country.
Fact 4.
This statement is completely FALSE " In exchange the WUSV decreed that they would set the ground rules, supply judges and run the organizational rules of the 2014 WUSV qualifier in the USA."
The USCA pushed for One judge and both sides agreed that the WUSV would supply us with 3 names of Judges qualified to judge the WUSV World Championships that are available. It is then up to us to decide which one to use. Both sides can throw out one name or choose to accept all. If there are more than one name left the remaining names will be put in a hat and one name drawn to judge the event.
The WUSV will have Nothing to do with setting ground rules, or "run the organizational rules for the Qualification trial" and they don't want any.
Fact 5.
No one except you has ever accused USCA or WDA of cheating in the Qualification trial. BOTH organizations agreed that having 2 judges set up controversy. If you really look at the judging there were mistakes from both. WDA member misses blinds, dirty bite, constant bumping in guarding and WDA judge says 96 (not possible by the rules) BOTH judges made mistakes. So the One judge compromise was actually brought to the table and pushed for by USCA.
Fact 6.
Dan Yee was not "Forced" to withdraw his motion. He was asked by WUSV to contact USCA and try to work it out between us and when it was he withdrew his motion.
Fact 7.
WUSV has NEVER said anything claiming USCA cheated at anything and you screaming it over and over on the internet does not make it true. Sorry but you are wrong.
Fact 8.
I was one of the 5 people attending these meetings, you were NOT.
Frank
Once again you are stating things as fact of which you have no idea what you are talking about.
Fact 1.
Dan Yee approached USCA for the meeting, not the WUSV.
Fact 2.
The WUSV was NOT involved at all in the meeting or how things were worked out. And they made NO demands or suggestions to the terms.
Fact 3.
The WUSV made NO suggestions or demands on the outcome of the meeting. They simply asked the WDA to contact us and try to work it out between the 2 organizations.
They do not want to be bothered by the infighting of organizations in ANY country.
Fact 4.
This statement is completely FALSE " In exchange the WUSV decreed that they would set the ground rules, supply judges and run the organizational rules of the 2014 WUSV qualifier in the USA."
The USCA pushed for One judge and both sides agreed that the WUSV would supply us with 3 names of Judges qualified to judge the WUSV World Championships that are available. It is then up to us to decide which one to use. Both sides can throw out one name or choose to accept all. If there are more than one name left the remaining names will be put in a hat and one name drawn to judge the event.
The WUSV will have Nothing to do with setting ground rules, or "run the organizational rules for the Qualification trial" and they don't want any.
Fact 5.
No one except you has ever accused USCA or WDA of cheating in the Qualification trial. BOTH organizations agreed that having 2 judges set up controversy. If you really look at the judging there were mistakes from both. WDA member misses blinds, dirty bite, constant bumping in guarding and WDA judge says 96 (not possible by the rules) BOTH judges made mistakes. So the One judge compromise was actually brought to the table and pushed for by USCA.
Fact 6.
Dan Yee was not "Forced" to withdraw his motion. He was asked by WUSV to contact USCA and try to work it out between us and when it was he withdrew his motion.
Fact 7.
WUSV has NEVER said anything claiming USCA cheated at anything and you screaming it over and over on the internet does not make it true. Sorry but you are wrong.
Fact 8.
I was one of the 5 people attending these meetings, you were NOT.
Frank
by zdog on 23 October 2013 - 15:10
Don't try and confuse this with facts. You'll only send his brain into a tailspin.
by Unknown on 23 October 2013 - 15:10
ZDog
Trust me, I understand he is not going to change his agenda driven blather.
I just wanted to put out facts so others who might want to know get the truth.
Trust me, I understand he is not going to change his agenda driven blather.
I just wanted to put out facts so others who might want to know get the truth.
by Gustav on 23 October 2013 - 16:10
Thanks for firsthand facts, nobody listens to diatribes that are obviously biased.....we are not fools, we can see one sided commentary when presented. Your post, Unknown, makes sense without the vile accusations....Thanks!
by bubbabooboo on 23 October 2013 - 17:10
Get the lies straight now
USCA met with the WUSV and requested that they (the WUSV) pick the slate of judges for the US World Qualifier.
The USCA pushed for One judge and both sides agreed that the WUSV would supply us with 3 names of Judges qualified to judge the WUSV World Championships that are available.
The WUSV was NOT involved at all in the meeting or how things were worked out. This a big, big lie.
Dan Yee approached USCA for the meeting, not the WUSV.
Dan Yee was not "Forced" to withdraw his motion. He was asked by WUSV to contact USCA and try to work it out between us and when it was he withdrew his motion.
The USCA was in charge of the meeting ???? but it was Dan Yee who initiated the meeting after he met with the WUSV .. were you also in the meeting between Yee and the WUSV before he asked for the meeting with the USCA at the request of the WUSV??? Did Yee tell everyone what the WUSV said to him that forced or convinced him to withdraw his motion that was on the agenda for a vote?? What a dope and a liar .. the WUSV is not a big cuddly teddy bear .. the WUSV pressured Yee to withdraw his motion (it was never voted on) because they did not want to set a precedent with the WUSV member clubs voting on a single nation issue. They also said that this would be a trial run in 2014 and if the USCA cheated or schemed to skew the results THEN the 3-3 split would be revisited and the WUSV board could make that decision without a vote by the general members. The board does not need a membership vote to act on single nation issues .. the membership didn't vote to send the USCA a "do or die" letter in March 2013 saying knock off the constitutional cheating or else. And the board would have suspended the USCA in March had they not obeyed that letter and could have done so without a membership vote .. they have that power. The USCA has but three member votes and the Germans have 63 so who is the boss?? And does that letter from the SV and WUSV president constitute the WUSV accusing the USCA of cheating on the rules of the constitution of the WUSV as he put it "continuously"????
USCA met with the WUSV and requested that they (the WUSV) pick the slate of judges for the US World Qualifier.
The USCA pushed for One judge and both sides agreed that the WUSV would supply us with 3 names of Judges qualified to judge the WUSV World Championships that are available.
The WUSV was NOT involved at all in the meeting or how things were worked out. This a big, big lie.
Dan Yee approached USCA for the meeting, not the WUSV.
Dan Yee was not "Forced" to withdraw his motion. He was asked by WUSV to contact USCA and try to work it out between us and when it was he withdrew his motion.
The USCA was in charge of the meeting ???? but it was Dan Yee who initiated the meeting after he met with the WUSV .. were you also in the meeting between Yee and the WUSV before he asked for the meeting with the USCA at the request of the WUSV??? Did Yee tell everyone what the WUSV said to him that forced or convinced him to withdraw his motion that was on the agenda for a vote?? What a dope and a liar .. the WUSV is not a big cuddly teddy bear .. the WUSV pressured Yee to withdraw his motion (it was never voted on) because they did not want to set a precedent with the WUSV member clubs voting on a single nation issue. They also said that this would be a trial run in 2014 and if the USCA cheated or schemed to skew the results THEN the 3-3 split would be revisited and the WUSV board could make that decision without a vote by the general members. The board does not need a membership vote to act on single nation issues .. the membership didn't vote to send the USCA a "do or die" letter in March 2013 saying knock off the constitutional cheating or else. And the board would have suspended the USCA in March had they not obeyed that letter and could have done so without a membership vote .. they have that power. The USCA has but three member votes and the Germans have 63 so who is the boss?? And does that letter from the SV and WUSV president constitute the WUSV accusing the USCA of cheating on the rules of the constitution of the WUSV as he put it "continuously"????
by vk4gsd on 23 October 2013 - 19:10
what is to be achieved by publicly airing dog politics, everyone knows politics exists, take it to the committee meetings. just don't see what can be gained by this.
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