Don't get this.........ding ding round 25....... FARAH VOM KONIG SADLER UP FOR SALE - Page 10

Uhmmm... No...I gave you the xrays of the dog!  I was not able to register her until I had the original Annenetal, not just a copy of it.  I have a bescheinigung from Sabine and the AKC has a copy of everything as well.  My xrays were pretty darn close to those that Herr Konig took prior to me importing the dog.  AKC knows that I imported the dog..and I had no problems with registration of anything..  My puppies have been xrayed, with the exception of one.  

Have you tested her for an autoimmune problems?  I have seen this only one time in my life with the breed and the dog had Rheumatoid Arthritis.  It was my first German Shepherd.  I had to retire him from the working field early as his hips, elbows and spine changed drastically because of this.  No, he was never bred as he retained both testicles and was neutered.  All I have to go by is her first sets of xrays.  Her ID was checked and that is the dog.. My vet clinic would never xray a dog and say is was another dog.  I was there the entire time and held the head of the dog, while her body was arranged by my vet and the other techs.  

Donna, you can say what you want.  I gave you the xrays...  Yes, I should have sent them in once I got the original Annentafel in July...  Instead, I sold the dog with the set of her films. She was bred to your male as soon as she got to you...Did you know the temperament or personality of the dog prior to breeding her?  I will stand by those being her xrays as I was there and I also read the scanner as she was being identified...  Follow the entire story and see why I couldn't send the films in the second that they were taken.  I will also contact Herr Konig and ask if he can present the first films taken for me.

........please, no one is commenting because we are all sick of the same repetitive posts.....95% commented on the fact that she was breed w/o hip certific. 5% comments are based on your conduct....if you still dont see reasons for negative post...well...no one can fix that...but we all sure know what we are got here and will proceed with caution...

Am i crazy to think that no one is going to want to pay $900 for Farah, on a spay contract, with those hips? Am I wrong in thinking that? I really hope I'm wrong.
Maybe the original seller Cesna SHOULD just buy her back - I don't know - the whole thing is so confusing!
Just wish Farah would get into a great place where she can live out her life and get what she needs for care (NOT in any way implying that she isn't getting that now! Don't bite my head off please LTS.)

I will stand by my original post that this whole mess is disheartening to a potential buyer or seller, and it is still hard to determine what exactly happened here - either way the dog got bred (how many times?) and shouldn't have been - and hopefully the puppy buyers have minimal issues.

And yes, if anything, this ordeal emphasizes that trust in buying and selling dogs is very hard to come by.

How does anyone know that the affected hips in the film are actually Farah's?  It's not impossible that LTS has other female, B&T GSDs of sufficient age to pass for a 3 yr old . Is it that the vet 'couldn't find a chip',  or is it that there isn't any chip because it wasn't the correct dog?  An x-ray of the area where the chip would have been placed would show the device, even if it had stopped responding to the scanner [chips do fail on occasion, after all].

I have no question regarding the original films being Farah's---the date on the envelope is a red herring, as those sleeves are frequently recycled--though I suppose it's possible that there was some grand deception being planned way back when this bitch was just a youngster so a different dog was x-rayed.  Highly unlikely, though--nobody stood to benefit from such a substitution at that time.  It's the date and ID info on the film plate that matters to me.  The vet who took the films of the affected hips may have been presented with a dog that he was told is Farah, but I'll bet he doesn't really know that dog, or LTS's other dogs, from a ham sandwich...like every other vet, he's going to take the word of the person presenting the dog as far as it's identity.

LTS, you've already made your money back on her purchase price with the sale of the pups you got from her, so you're not "out" any money, frankly...if you want to cite the costs of the registration, the DNA testing, the x-rays, etc., that's BS, since THOSE things are the normal cost of doing business--and you are running a business.  The RIGHT thing to do would be to place her in a pet home for an adoption fee that covers the cost of having her spayed, or working out something with Cesna as far as returning her goes.  

Hexe, That is very true. Sure she could have taken another female to the vet and said it was Farrah, but what would be the point? Why would she want to replace a 3 yr old female with another young female when this one already had "good" hips, a TT and a show rating and already produced for her? Why would she lie? It's not like she is demanding $ back from Cesna and was trying to keep her too. Just don't see the logic. Maybe I missed it. 
 

My vet won't xray for OFA without ID to prove its the actual dog I'm presenting, I would think others vets won't either, due to this reason posted by hexe.

I don't get it, either, but I noticed right off the bat that one xray has clear ID on it and one does not.

CMIlls, but these films weren't sent to OFA. And when the vet attempted to confirm the dog's ID by scanning it for the microchip, they weren't able to get a read. 

1GSD1, as for what LTS would have to gain from subbing another dog, I can't really answer that, because my mind doesn't work the same way hers does when it comes to ethics, etc.  Perhaps she's decided she wants to try being a breeder of working lines again, since she's looking to trade a show/work line bitch for a working line one, and knows the backlash it would spur if she just up decided to switch horses in midstream again and sell Farah as a breeding animal, so soon after having raised SUCH a ruckus over the unfinished business between her and Cesna.

I can only say that if I had a dog I'd purchased and was having x-rayed again because I wanted new hip films, and the vet couldn't get the microchip to read when they scanned the dog to confirm ID, I'd damn sure have the vet x-ray the shoulders and chest area to see if we could visualize the chip--especially if the dog's 'new' films then looked like the ones being presented here as Farah's most recent ones, when the films done of the dog @ 16 months gave no reason to expect such extreme remodeling and degenerative change.  Granted, seeing the chip on the x-ray wouldn't permit you to read the chip number, but at least it would indicate that there WAS a chip present. And if there was that much change in the hips in such a short time that it would lead one to suspect there may have been something fishy, the next step would be to surgically retrieve the chip to ID it.

Jus' sayin'.

I just don't see the benefit that LTS would get out of switching dogs. Farah is probably one of her nicer bitches as far as pedigree and such, plus a young and proven brood bitch. What does she have to gain by admitting she has bad hips? If anything, she will lose money here because the dog will probably have to be rehomed for free. LTS already admitted that $900 is too much in a previous post. On that note, LTS, you should probably ask a very minimal fee. If it were me, I'd spay her and charge a rehoming fee to cover cost of spay. A friend of mine justs had the same exact issue. She spayed the bitch, a gorgeous show line, and rehomed her for $100 which pretty much just covered the spay and pain meds.