IPO-R title - Page 3

oh get off your horse.  There are plenty of "certified" dogs of all sorts and you know it.  Breed them, I don't care.  You don't need an RH an  FH and IPO and HIJKLMNOP to do it, just do it.  If you have dogs you like fine.  Be happy.  I don't care if they work the pentagon or katrina or the super bowl.

 

Sorry....... don't read German and I hope that the Google translator is correct......

SV - Dog Show Rules 2013:
 
2.3. Working Dog Classes for dogs over the age of 2 Of age.

2.4. Dogs by II.2.3. required to have a mark of at least IPO1 training or HGH testing RH2 or a passed exam in stage B (IPO RF-FL,-T,-L or-W).

Guys like zdog crack me up, they say they know everything about dog training and have trained many SchH3 dogs, but don't know SQUAT about the rest of the titles in the sport they've been involved in for 20+ years.  The FH and HGH are very old titles, even the RH is old, its just the IPO-R rules are new.

@suzie & clc29, thats what I thought the rules said, but I still haven't found anyone on the USA who has done it, to confirm the process and hoops to jump through.  Most people I know getting RH titles haven't bothered to get a breed survey or rating.

Zdog...who are you talking to?

Forgot to mention:

Breedsurvey
 
Sterilisierte Hündinnen sind zur Körung nicht zugelassen.
 
Bei Diensthunden, die im Eigentum von
diensthundhaltenden Behörden stehen und im Dienst eingesetzt werden, genügt als Ausbildungskennzeichen eine der IPO-Prüfung entsprechende Diensthundprüfung.
Bei Hunden, die nachweislich als Blindenführhunde im Einsatz sind und über eine bestandene Blindenhundprüfung verfügen, ist kein weiteres Ausbildungskennzeichen als Körvoraussetzung erforderlich.
Maybe someone is willing to translate into a correct English!

The RH may be old, I guess i'm unfortunate enough to live in a country that I don't know if one has ever been done at a trial I've been in.   Admittedly I don't know anything about it.  I do have plenty of experience with certified disaster and SAR dogs however and my opinion of their certifications is even lower than those with some questionable IPO titles and breeding. But if someone comes on and says they want UScA to recognize an RH title so they can KKL and breed their dog because it doesn't have the drive or temperament to do an IPO 1, do you agree with the breedability of that dog?

Not sure if this helps...but here's the google translation:

Sterilized females are not approved for licensing.
 
For service dogs from the property service dog holding authorities and are to be used in the service, one of the IPO sufficient appropriate audit service dog training test as characteristic.
In dogs that are proven as guide dogs in action and have a guide dog passed inspection, no further training degree as Körvoraussetzung is required.

Hopefully someone who speaks German will translate the meaning a little better.

@!clc29 it sounds like there is a special provision in the rules for seeing-eye dogs, which certainly cannot be trained in bite-work, but may serve an important function as breeding stock for future guide/service dogs.

@zdog that was the question of the OP and suzie gave some answers by posting the actual rules.  It seems the SV counts the HGH and RH as equivalent to a SchH title, which is what I said a million posts ago, before you went off tangent.  The RH is no walk in the park, plenty of SchH 3 dogs can't pass an RH-E or even the far easier  Fartenhund (FH).  There was a trial on the east coast a few month ago and the only dog that passed had a hander that has trained and personally qualified FEMA certified dogs.

zdog....no I do not agree......a breed suitable SAR dog should have the same drive and temperament to do IPO. Unfortunately, very few SAR groups allow IPO trained dogs to be SAR dogs here in the USA. This narrow minded mentality makes it very difficult if not out right impossible to meet the current requirements if someone like me wants to have there SAR dog breed surveyed. 

@clc29  I agree and I also mentioned the "liability issues" of bite-work training a million posts earlier in this thread, but I would add that there is a subtle difference between the "explosive" type drive needed to do protection phase and the "endurance" type drive needed to a 2000 paces track in an RH.  From my experience a high "endurance" drive dog doing FH trials really well, can go on to be a mediocre or better IPO-3 dog, but not many top IPO-3 sport dogs can go on to be good at long 2000 paces tracking.  A Tr3 equivalent track is certainly no FH or RH, heck its not even close to an AKC TDX or VST title.  There is a TOTALLY different thought process going on in the dogs brain as far as I can tell.  Same goes for herding, these dogs can certainly do IPO-3 titles, they may not be the best, but they can do it, good luck getting those IPO-3 bred sport dogs to do herding at the HGH level.

All anecdotal on my part, so I would agree before people start getting upset that there are "exceptions to the rule" and that "my personal experience is not universal".