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by Slamdunc on 13 August 2013 - 12:08
Deanna,
He is a really good looking dog. Keep me updated on his and your progress.
As I said before, I don't think neutering is the answer. You know what you need to do with Prince, and you are on the right path. I agree with workingdogz, that Sheesh and Laura have given you good advice and might be an excellent source for support and encouragement. They are in a very similar situation as you and are consistently working to keep their dogs in check. I prefer to take advice from people that have been successful, I also learn what not to do by watching people that are not very successful. I also agree that advice on this type of problem offered on the internet is often to be taken with a grain of salt. However, there are some that have a lot of experience in dealing with aggressive dogs, actually working dogs, training and titling dogs. Those are the ones whose posts I read and follow with interest.
I haven't read all of the posts in the past few days. One thing I would probably do and I don't know if it has been suggested is to call Prince to you when you walk in the door after your evening shift. If Prince is loose in the house when you get home at night I'd call him and make him sit in front and then the "heel" position. When he is correct, some verbal praise and then a reward. If he comes and his demeanor is "odd" I'd tell him to "knock it off" sternly and immediately give him a command that he will reliably perform. Sit or Down and then a recall, when his demeanor changes I'd praise him for the correct response. Your demeanor has to be up beat, firm and "in charge." If Prince is in an odd state of mind you need to change his state instantly. This will let him know it's you walking into the house and that he has to respond appropriately to you. That eliminates the concern or the question that he is startled or not sure who you are at night. My guess would be he knows exactly who it is, probably a while before you get home. As we all know getting back with Kelly is your best plan of action, next for the life of the dog you need to be hyper vigilant, extremely consistent and keep working with this dog daily. Prince needs daily obedience, daily exercise and a structured life. Five to ten minutes a day of obedience will make a huge difference.
Jim
He is a really good looking dog. Keep me updated on his and your progress.
As I said before, I don't think neutering is the answer. You know what you need to do with Prince, and you are on the right path. I agree with workingdogz, that Sheesh and Laura have given you good advice and might be an excellent source for support and encouragement. They are in a very similar situation as you and are consistently working to keep their dogs in check. I prefer to take advice from people that have been successful, I also learn what not to do by watching people that are not very successful. I also agree that advice on this type of problem offered on the internet is often to be taken with a grain of salt. However, there are some that have a lot of experience in dealing with aggressive dogs, actually working dogs, training and titling dogs. Those are the ones whose posts I read and follow with interest.
I haven't read all of the posts in the past few days. One thing I would probably do and I don't know if it has been suggested is to call Prince to you when you walk in the door after your evening shift. If Prince is loose in the house when you get home at night I'd call him and make him sit in front and then the "heel" position. When he is correct, some verbal praise and then a reward. If he comes and his demeanor is "odd" I'd tell him to "knock it off" sternly and immediately give him a command that he will reliably perform. Sit or Down and then a recall, when his demeanor changes I'd praise him for the correct response. Your demeanor has to be up beat, firm and "in charge." If Prince is in an odd state of mind you need to change his state instantly. This will let him know it's you walking into the house and that he has to respond appropriately to you. That eliminates the concern or the question that he is startled or not sure who you are at night. My guess would be he knows exactly who it is, probably a while before you get home. As we all know getting back with Kelly is your best plan of action, next for the life of the dog you need to be hyper vigilant, extremely consistent and keep working with this dog daily. Prince needs daily obedience, daily exercise and a structured life. Five to ten minutes a day of obedience will make a huge difference.
Jim
by laura271 on 13 August 2013 - 13:08
Deanna - Please keep us updated on your (and Prince's) progress so we can celebrate your success. You are welcome to PM me if you'd like a space to talk about how hard it is. I know I whined to Brynjulf pretty much daily for a while.
I concur with the folks who said that we (Martin and I) are shining beacons of encouragement. "Those two are complete idiots and if they can do it then surely others can succeed too".
I concur with the folks who said that we (Martin and I) are shining beacons of encouragement. "Those two are complete idiots and if they can do it then surely others can succeed too".
by LadyFrost on 13 August 2013 - 15:08
I concur with the folks who said that we (Martin and I) are shining beacons of encouragement. "Those two are complete idiots and if they can do it then surely others can succeed too".
LOOOOOL..
i will state the obvious - no one thinks you two are idiots...stuborn maybe...but not idiots...besides we all know how much you two love that bugger.
LOOOOOL..
i will state the obvious - no one thinks you two are idiots...stuborn maybe...but not idiots...besides we all know how much you two love that bugger.
by Prager on 14 August 2013 - 12:08
Neutering sometimes-often increases normally nonexistent opposite sex aggression due to the loss of sexual dimorphism.
Prager Hans
Prager Hans
by Prager on 14 August 2013 - 12:08
Laura:
"How do you show a dog after you correct him/her for growling what he should be doing? You mean you praise him when s/he is finally not growling? That in some instances could be a quite a mistake,..."
No, this isn't what we did. It's difficult to explain on the Internet without a very long post and I don't think I would be all that clear.
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Laura with my question, I was heading in specific direction. And that was that many people improperly reward the dog for stopping to growl or displaying signs of aggression after the correction while their dog is still having murder on their mind. Thus, inadvertently but mistakenly rewarding the dog for not being aggressive physically, but mentally being still in aggression mode. That will lead to more unwanted aggression, because you are not necessarily really correcting or rewarding not what the dog is physically doing, but what is on his mind. .
Another thing I see often is so call "calming the dog down" while displaying aggression which is really rewarding him for displaying of such aggression.
To reward the dog properly one must see the dog to accept the former adversary as a friend and what I call "defuse". Then and only then you can simply reward the dog by approval pet and using "good" word ( Good boy or such).
Prager Hans
"How do you show a dog after you correct him/her for growling what he should be doing? You mean you praise him when s/he is finally not growling? That in some instances could be a quite a mistake,..."
No, this isn't what we did. It's difficult to explain on the Internet without a very long post and I don't think I would be all that clear.
...........
Laura with my question, I was heading in specific direction. And that was that many people improperly reward the dog for stopping to growl or displaying signs of aggression after the correction while their dog is still having murder on their mind. Thus, inadvertently but mistakenly rewarding the dog for not being aggressive physically, but mentally being still in aggression mode. That will lead to more unwanted aggression, because you are not necessarily really correcting or rewarding not what the dog is physically doing, but what is on his mind. .
Another thing I see often is so call "calming the dog down" while displaying aggression which is really rewarding him for displaying of such aggression.
To reward the dog properly one must see the dog to accept the former adversary as a friend and what I call "defuse". Then and only then you can simply reward the dog by approval pet and using "good" word ( Good boy or such).
Prager Hans
by Ruger1 on 14 August 2013 - 23:08
Jim and laura thanks for the posts!..
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by Slamdunc on 15 August 2013 - 09:08
Your welcome!
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