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by morningstar on 29 July 2013 - 06:07

Back in those days I do not believe appearance mattered much, as long as the dog could do what it was bred to do. Therefore I think it's very likely that Malinois also came in brindle and Dutch shepherds also came in solid. 

In later times breed standards were created and people decided Dutch shepherds should be brindled (except for the rough hair, those also come in pepper-and-salt or blue-grey) though as it is, sometimes they're still born solid colored. (though that may also be because after WWII dogs of unknown origin and some Malinois were used for a short while to expand the gene pool seeing that the breed faced extinction) 

Originally there were more varieties of Belgian shepherds too, but it was decided only four varieties were standardized and in the end, only they remained. Those four are what we now know as the black longhaired Groenendael, the rough coated Laekenois, the red/fawn shorthaired Malinois and the red/fawn longhaired Tervueren. These four are closely related, for example: both long and shorthaired pups can appear in one litter (Malinois & Tervueren) and both red/fawn and black pups can appear in a longhaired litter (Tervueren & Groenendael). 

by kishorem19 on 29 July 2013 - 06:07

I know looks may not matter in this Topic... but I like the GSD way better than the other two discussed here.

kishore

by morningstar on 29 July 2013 - 15:07

Opinions will vary ;) The longhaired Dutch shepherd has the most appealing looks to me. 

Absolutely gorgeous. 



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But I've heard GSD people say they they look like hyenas, lol. 

But indeed, it matters not. Looks are least important with working dogs. (and I believe purebred Dutch shepherds aren't liked as much as working dogs as the KNPV mixes are anyway, plus the longhairs are generally a little softer in character than the shorthairs--and thus more unsuitable as working dogs. But the softer character does play a part in why I like them best, lol.. (*along with white Swiss shepherds but they aren't working dogs, let alone military dogs) )
jemi

by jemi on 30 July 2013 - 21:07

Maybe another reason the military prefer the malinois and dutch shepherds because of their very high energy level, and drive.  Always on the move, non stop action is in their nature.  If you can channel these energies and drives to perform some specific tasks, they will become a working machine.
KYLE

by KYLE on 18 August 2013 - 21:08

Gustav and a few others understand why the GSD is more popular in military and police circles now. No other breed has had to wear as many hats as the GSD.  Military and SWAT dogs are not usually going from classroom to classroom doing demos. Sooo lets say they can have a temperment for the work that is more over the top.  Not many of the Malis' and Dutchies are house dogs. Once upon a time breeding working GSD's was not as lucrative as it is today.  Once upon a time there was a 10 foot vertical wall in schutzhund. Schutzhund judging also plays a part in what breeders are producing. The look that we want in B has played a part in breeding the GSD. Someone also stated breeding for points dogs is not breeding for serious dogs. Take the points hit at trial and work the serious GSD.

by Paul Garrison on 18 August 2013 - 23:08

The Mali and Dutchie are going the same old sport ,show and pet direction. Select few even want hard real working dogs. But they are out there and I will find them and help reproduce them. This bunny hugging politically correct people that believe that there are no bad dogs are ruining our dogs and our country. Most dogs are just not fit to breed for more then just pets or play.

by troopscott on 19 August 2013 - 11:08

You know I saw cost mentioned for GSD vs Malanois but I see mal pups being sold here for 1800-2k which is what a large portion of the GSD pups are selling for here. Second when did the government ever care about overspending our  hard earned tax dollars. 

Last the military does have its own dog breeding program at a few bases but if they are buying non papered dogs etc with no idea of lineage then I would have to question how much their breeding programs are really worth no matter the breed of dogs they are buying. 

by Hired Dog on 19 August 2013 - 11:08

Police agencies do not buy puppies for $1500 hoping that one day they will turn out to be the perfect police dog. They buy adults, sometimes titled, sometimes not, depending on what their broker has available and the price of course.
The military buys dogs by the hundreds, also adults, not puppies. When you buy dogs at those quantities, you also buy shit that no one wants and the price for unregistered, untitled dogs is very low compared to papered GSDs.
As far as breeding, all working dog programs like the military care about is producing working dogs and that happens when you breed dogs and take chances since there is no guarantee that ANY breeding pair will produce what they are, even if papered or titled.


 
jemi

by jemi on 19 August 2013 - 23:08

cuddly, good in the house, can sit and watch tv with families as breeding selection standards are a sure way to ruin the Mali and dutchie breed.  

by kyto on 20 August 2013 - 07:08

i know some people may take a defensive att about this but these are the reasons why country's/brookers prefere mali's over GSD
1. mali's are more cost efective due to better health (last about 2years longer in service)
2. they take fewer time to be prepared for testing (fewer time in trainning is fewer cost in food before they are sold)
3.physical construction of mali's gives them an advantage over GSD for specialiced services
4. in general they can search a area faster than a GSD due to higher temprament
​5. they adapt faster to new places/temprature/handlers

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