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Babyeagle4u: Get real How cruel do u think it is to cram a baby pup large breed gsd in a carry on doggie bag under ur seat and No u cant open the case till u are off the plane and not u cant hold it in uour lap. U can try but if u get caught I dont know what they do. Planes are Federally regulated and state Health laws disallow handling the pup amongst passengers and where food is consumed. Now if u know any new laws and this is not so then please inform us I think we are here to find out where what and How? I send mine Cargo so I cant tell u if anyone gets by with taking their pup out or if it will work. None of my pups would be still at 8 weeks old under a seat in a soft bag for a flight over the Atlantic. Ur remark was uncalled for. A certain varity of dogs that are older and trained wouldnt be uncomfortable in a small bag under a seat because most if the smaller breeds like my daughters Schnauzer, a minature one and my friend that has two tiny poodles, all travel with them in tote bags so they would travel fine. Under a seat is not the place for a German Sheperd pup unless it is a minature and I dont think we breed those.

..excuse me yellowroseoftexas, I never flew in my life. I was ASKING about removing a pup from a crate or a carry along. Calm down. ..and your comment about the shoebox..well, I was just playing along. Sorry.

LMH - nope, he didn't get out of the crate. I went back into the terminal with him safely off the plane and being brought back in(I walked with him as far as I could),went to the counter and raised holy hell.We waited for the small jet to come later in the day.Got on that and finally got home at 1:20am. I don't use sedation for the dogs-there is a laundry list of reasons why.My cats don't need sedation because they start traveling at 4 months,so they're old hands at it.

Dogs do not normally need or require sedation anyway, because most don't live at VERY high altitudes and are not aclimated to the lower density in air molecules that are found in cruise on the plane, once reaching cruise altitude. Airplane cabins/cargo holds are pressurized at 9500-10000 feet at cruise(regardless of the physical altitude of the airplane). Most pets live their lives breathing oxygen WELL below that, so when the airplane cabiin reaches that high altitude, the lack of density in the air molecules makes for a NATRUAL sedative for the pet, and most just sleep for the duration of the flight(especially international flights). To give a mechanical sedative, in the form of a pill(depending what it is and the dosage given), could make for the dog going to sleep and never waking up(on a long and extended flight, i.e., international).

.. does anything happen to people?

People have more substance to them than puppies/dogs that are much smaller. The human body is designed to operate below 10,000 feet. Above 10,000 the phenomenon, hypoxia creeps in. This is the reason aircraft cabins are pressurized, in flight at or BELOW 10,000 feet. Hypoxia(there are 4 forms of this) is the lack of oxygen in the blood being carried to the brain and results in different levels of euphoria and diminished coordination, once a person starts to experience it, the symptoms range from slight euphoria above 10,000 feet to death at altitudes far above 10,000. A person’s lifestyle(smoking, heavy drinking, poor diet, lack of exercise, overweight) dictates how and when a person is affected. If you are a heavy smoker, and sedentary that normally lives at 250 feet pressure altitude, you can take a flight, and if you are under the influence of alcohol you will probably nod off to sleep. If you live in Denver, the mile high city, and exercise regularly, don’t smoke or drink, flying would have virtually no effect on you. Somewhere in the middle of these two examples is where most people fall in. The physiological effects of a routine flight are negligible to humans

Stephen-- I knew not to give my dogs a sedative, but didn't know it also applied in the upper part of the plane. I'll have to let my vet know--He did give me such a low-dosage pill for the cat, though. I guess I should consider myself lucky that he woke up (2X's). When I took the crew to the vet for health certificates we discussed everything and I thought I had covered myself. Thanks for the info. flygirl-- So, we make fools of ourselves. Nice to know, I'm not the only one. We should compare stories. Once, after being gone for a month, I came back to JFK and while walking with the other passengers toward the luggage area, we all heard this booming voice over the loudspeaker, "I guess Sam's back". (Don''t even ask.)LOL

WOW Want to say Thank You to all of you for the private emails and the responses here on the board !! Very Very informational and very helpful !! I appreciate very much, and am feeling much better now about this, as I now think this can go very smoothly ! Thank you Thank you very much all of you !! :-)