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by zdog on 01 March 2013 - 17:03
oh, i forgot the measure of greatness is the amount of responses I can get. I snipe because I went thru the stage where I needed to defend my training thoughts on the interent a long time ago. I don't care to run the circles anymore. I am a pretty decent trainer, convince me otherwise. You can fuck off or not, it doesn't matter to me. My point 10 pages ago or now is the same, I can train any dog you put in front of me with our without an ecollar to the same level of reliability. So should everybody else if they understand dog training. it has nothing to do with how great, or not, I am.
by k9ulf on 02 March 2013 - 09:03
That back transport in the video was actually a first try. My dogs are in a very different frame of mind when working, it is more based on motivation rather than avoidance behaviour.
To teach precicion you need good timing, what most people lack really, especially novices. Because of this very fact they struggle. They get their timing wrong with the e-collar so the
dog ends up in the wrong position and this is where the real issue starts. They want to correct that of course, but how? to get the dog in a different position you have to get it out of the current `wrong position`.
Not easy, as the handler already taught the dog where the most comfortable position is, all other positions are occupied with avoidance ,-), so where to go? The handler has to increase the so called `stim`
in the wrong position, but as I said the other positions are assiocated with correction, it all becomes a spiral, the dog gets confused and stressed and some people read this then as disobedience or even as drive.
It is nothing else then nerveous energy! I think the e-collar wannabes should learn first to walk before they even think to try to run.
Just look at the attached videos and tell me what the dogs motivation is :-)
All the best
Ulf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apEnw3cF90Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sG3YJIPQ80
To teach precicion you need good timing, what most people lack really, especially novices. Because of this very fact they struggle. They get their timing wrong with the e-collar so the
dog ends up in the wrong position and this is where the real issue starts. They want to correct that of course, but how? to get the dog in a different position you have to get it out of the current `wrong position`.
Not easy, as the handler already taught the dog where the most comfortable position is, all other positions are occupied with avoidance ,-), so where to go? The handler has to increase the so called `stim`
in the wrong position, but as I said the other positions are assiocated with correction, it all becomes a spiral, the dog gets confused and stressed and some people read this then as disobedience or even as drive.
It is nothing else then nerveous energy! I think the e-collar wannabes should learn first to walk before they even think to try to run.
Just look at the attached videos and tell me what the dogs motivation is :-)
All the best
Ulf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apEnw3cF90Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sG3YJIPQ80
by k9ulf on 02 March 2013 - 09:03
Here is a video about the out. It is an older one ,, but since then I became even more efficient without using corrections :-) BTW when Momo, my Mali, attempts to forge in heel work I simply say `Fuss` :-)
All the best
Ulf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpBsrAy-_-I
All the best
Ulf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpBsrAy-_-I
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