DDR, Czech and West Germany working bloodline - Page 3

Yes Hans you are right.  But I guess I didn't get my point across like I intended.  The point was to get people to learn the facts, the truth of what the breed is supposed to be, NOT what breeders have made it.  That is what people should base their opinion on.  Regardless, people will do what they want whether it is correct or not as long as people buy what breeders produce.

Hope this clarifies things alittle.  

Hans, that is precisely why I specified "accomplished in ANY competitive ring".  WGWL dogs are easier to train in ANY competitive ring.  How would you give an example of a DDR dog being easier to train for patrolwork than a WGWL?  In WHAT form of "real" work is a DDR type dog truly "easier" to train?

WGWL dogs are easier to train in ANY competitive ring. 



So a WG WL dog is easier tp train than a Czech dog?????  I suppose training a variety of dogs to title or certification at sport or real work would be the basis for your answer?

Thanks for the laugh on the late blooming dogs at 2 years old........Perhaps these late blooming dogs could be a training issue or lack there of?

Hi
I came across this while doing some research, maybe it can help you with your pup :)
http://www.schutzhund-training.com/puppy_training.html

Oh please Slam, define what a Czech dog even is....  I compared WGWL to DDR, not Czech dogs which could be any combination of either.  Why must you twist what I've said to make your argument?  The of point whatever "is easier to train" is whatever you want to throw into the pot of the character trait of TRAINABILITY, what dog will be more focused with the handler, enthused to interact, will STAY engaged in the exercise, and so forth.  My experience is the DDR will most often pale in comparison, so in WHAT rare instance could you ever state the opposite?   If you've never experienced a dog unwilling or unable to readily offer these behaviors until a later age, what does that really say about YOUR experience?  Still living your life on the PDB, I see.

Daryl,
Actually I have never experienced a dog that I could not develop or bring drive out of.  I don't know what that says about my experience?   Perhaps, I work with dogs to bring out drive or utilize what works with the dog?  Perhaps, I test and select dogs that have the necessary drives.   I have had rescues that showed no drive initially but was able to bring out it out in a couple of months.  I suppose you have more experience with low or no drive dogs than I do.  

I suppose I do.  Plenty of DDR dogs in the rescues, so how many have you actually found highly trainable?

Well most of the dogs in the rescue didn't have pedigrees so it is hard to say. Plus how many true DDR dogs are still around?

Yeah, I realized you wouldn't be able to tell pedigree after I said it.  If you mean "true DDR" to be true-in-blood, then there are quite a bit population-wise, although the genepool has narrowed quite a bit, and not hardly at all toward traits conducive to working ability as much as I'd like.  My crush on DDR breeding was a short lived fling.

As far as Czech breeding goes, most of mine were of the DDR based variety, from border patrol bloodlines.  They are a different kind of dog that sometimes requires a different approach in training.  Similar to what I said of the DDR lines, they are not really geared for competitive events, therefore the "ease of training" is of lesser consequence, but yet they bring other qualities to the table.

dear Guys, I very much thank all of you for your thoughful information and valuable input.  @ Siantha, Prager     2 x   up, Learned somehting from you.