BREEDER TO STAY AWAY FROM, VOM RON GERMAN SHEPHERDS IN NC - Page 4

joanro, you send me a message and I responded after you explained your side and in the message I said I WOULD NOT give her another dog if  it is true what you said. So don't twist words around. If she really chains her dogs to a tree like you said why would you even consider giving her another dog?

BHall, I'm sorry. Did not see your Pm. I am not twisting words, that was an honest question, since didn't see your PM.
Joan

OK, sorry!!!! If she did all these things and refused a refund forget about her. She is not even responding so keep up the good work.

I too say, if it is like you say joanaro, and you already offered to replace the pup, you did what you were supposed to.
IF, after you request medical info, than communication stops, then that person becomes suspect, with their claims.
The only thing tha is crappy now is that you have this person making false claims about you (and I DO believe these to be false).
BTW- your dogs look lovely...

Well, as joanro said--breed and sell dogs long enough and you're bound to end up with at least one disgruntled client...it's just the law of averages.  It's one of the many reasons I decided I wasn't going to breed GSDs--it's too hard to find well-informed, well-educated buyers who actually have a freakin' clue as to what a breeder can and cannot control and influence.

I'm quite mystified as to how allenf believes a POLYGENIC trait is so easily routed out of the breed just by naming the sire and dam of an affected animal...does he really think that once those names are publicized, anyone with breeding stock that is of any relation to those two animals will immediately stop using any of them for breeding?  'Cause if that were to happen, there would be no GSDs from this point forward....

Learned a lot about ED and HD from this thread...it will be much harder for me to find breeding stock with this new information.

Gustav, I will save you a very pretty pet rock. Hexe, you too. 

What's the warranty on them pet rocks?

Obviously there are plenty of contributers to this forum who are unconcerned by the risk of breeding dogs with ED. As they say, "Birds of a feather stick together". Even the  "online vets" like hexe are willing to join the throng. No surprise there!

I don't have Ettinger's 1994 textbook at hand, but have a feeling that the wikipedia arcticle may have misquoted the book, and the misquote is being reproduce by aakay.

A slightly more recent article that cites Ettinger (1995, which is probably the same edition as that cited in wikipedia) states:

While this in an inherited defect, environmental factors such as diet, activity, and trauma also have a role in the development and progression of the disease.

Note the words "While this is an inherited defect..."

The article goes on to state:

Do not breed affected dogs, or dogs which produce offspring with elbow dysplasia.

http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/disorder/elbow-dysplasia-ocd-elbow

Hopefully, anyone in the market for a GSD puppy will heed this advice.

Here is a video of a dog suffering the symtoms of ED:
http://youtu.be/Xx5H9xMO_vY
joanro (AKA dogsLTD on youtube)  claims there was an issue with a "fractured elbow", and various other unsubstantiated allegations.

Elswhere, the owner says the dog had a Fractured [sic, Fragmented] Coronoid Process (that is, inherited ED).
http://www.ripoffreport.com/dog-breeders/vom-ron-german-sheph/vom-ron-german-shepherds-joan-25b21.htm

Looking at the video, you need to ask yourself, "Is it worth the risk?" when those risks can be reduced by responsible breeding.

Gustav, I didn't think you were as knowledgable about the breed as you seem to think you are.  I'm so glad you're learning things. Don't choke on that pet rock. LMAO!

allanf you seem to have come out of nowhere claiming all of these dogs to have needed health checks. if you are wondering type in the dogs names into the OFFA  website and find out for your self. you seem to be quite content bashing people how do you know if joanro has hip and elbow tested her dogs or not? have you checked ? if not then dont falsely state information as it is just heresay and shenanagans. are your own dogs health tested for dm cerf elbows and hips ? Nothing in this world is guarenteed especialy babies and puppys if you are worried about elbow or hip problems get a adult dog that is alredy tested.i was a WREK waiting to hear if my dogs where clear when i sent in their tests and the relief when everything came back good was fantastic. but 1 puppy out of 200 is not a large enough occurance to totaly wash a stud or a bitch that produces good dogs that work. now if you where hitting like 50 out of 100 you have a big problem and need to re evaluate your breeding program and find where the issue is comming from. Yes both HD and ED are Mainly genetic problems but if you have a puppy that should be 40 lbs who is 100 lbs their joints are going to get arthritic and start degenerating from the weight. thats not genetic thats the owner. if you have a young dog and it jumps out of a moving truck on the freeway it can damage the femoral head which then damages the socket HD then results a dog jumps at a cat in the tree falls funny limps a day and then is fine xrays taken show problem its marked as ED or HD. the key point in life that you do not understand is SHIT HAPPENS!

also how do we know this dog in particular has ED or spinal problems the owner is refuzing xrays. my requirement is i get a copy of the xray to send in to ofa or my vets evaluation to determine regardless if the owner send it in to ofa i need copys or no replacement or refund will ever even be talked about. i had a puppy out of my first litter their vet told her the puppy had HD at 6 months old i was devistated but didnt like the 6 month calling out hd turns out the puppy OFAed excellent but had pano their vet just wanted the money for the treatments ie water therapy and acupuncture they had convinced the person to get for their dog or she wouldent be walking by two.

Joanro i would say no to replacement or refund with out them showing you the xrays to me it sounds like they just want to get a breeding dog for free. or a dog to sell because they need to make a payment a person who is truely worried about their dog would cooperate with you and try to come to a conclusion