BREEDER TO STAY AWAY FROM, VOM RON GERMAN SHEPHERDS IN NC - Page 2

Jenni78

You have missed the point entirely. I was addresssing joanro, and was referred to the the kennel's website by her in a PM. If you think you can contribute something useful, perhaps you know the parents of the dog with ED, so that their health status can be verified. Do you know if any other dogs bred by joanro have had ED?

There is always 2 sides. If she truly offered a refund then this should be the end of it. We don't know what the guarantee covered and we have not seen any vet records either. These are all back and forth accusations and nothing else. Neither is responding and clearing things up so we may never know what really happened.
Work it out somehow.

Yes, Birgit. Exactly.

Allan, no, you missed the point.  I realize you're new. A little due diligence would clear up a lot of your questions if you're really such a curious sort. As I said, I don't know either of them and  frankly could not care less who the dogs were/are. Would one bad elbow even be enough to strike them from breeding?? The fact that this saga is so old and I haven't heard of even one other complaint about vom Ron tells me something, actually. This is a very small world. If she was churning out bad elbows (which can be caused by a literal myriad of things), and screwing customers right and left, I would think I would've come across it. The dog world, particularly this cesspool, is like a flock of vultures. Something doesn't even have to be true for them to be all over it. I have honestly never heard a bad word about Joanro's kennel or their ethics. This makes me inclined to give her just the tiniest bit of benefit of the doubt and remind folks that, as several others have said and Joan even requested people do, it's a good idea to keep in mind we never know the whole story. Thinking we possibly could and making judgment accordinly is ignorant at best. JMO. Don't know this story, don't really care...nothing more to say about it than that. 

Allen, are you a lawyer?

Jenni78

Thanks for your ... erm ... contribution. LOL. You obviously have little knowledge, and even less concern for the breed. Bye.

joanro, no I'm not a lawyer. What's black and tan and looks good on a lawyer? LOL. Why can't you answer my questions?

I agree with you Jenni

i agree that there are 3 sides to every story. I think Allens question was relevant but his delivery didnt do much to help his position. I almost bought a dog because I wasnt informed of the dogs problems. Had I been able to research him better, then I would have been able to avoid the hassle I was just in. So i see why Allen asked what he did.

Barb

As stated above, there are 3 sides to every story and nothing I heard about Joan even distantly indicates anything unethical about her breeding practices.  On the contrary, what I do hear about is her passion for the breed, even though I personally have not met her.

Elbow displasia can be genetic and it can also be environmentally induced (high jumping around as a puppy, playing frisbees, running around on hard surfaces as a puppy etc).  In this particular case, the owner seems to have a plethora of problems with the dog, starting with the elbows going bad at 18-months and a 4-year old spine resembling that of a 14-year old's spine.....leading me to feel that the problem is almost certainly environmental than genetic. 

I think Joan has offered a full refund but the person seems to be demanding a different puppy.  If the breeder is already not convinced about how puppy#1 was treated, why would she send over another puppy to the same place/person, to potentially meet the same fate ?

Bottomline, such potentially slanderous posts/threads on such public foras should be removed forthwith, and the parties have to work things out by themselves.  If the person has been slandering the breeder on multiple foras, then there should be some mechanism to take him/her to task for it, than allow him/her to continue to indulge in such practices.

Allanf: joanro, no I'm not a lawyer. What's black and tan and looks good on a lawyer? LOL. Why can't you answer my questions?

Many a time the last thing one would want to do is to publicise things on the internet, so that some "expert" can then indulge in armchair opinion-making and then a bunch of others taking up the chorus. Things almost certainly take on  a life of their own and a well intentioned posting of a pedigree can then be twisted into something entirely different.  I personally would not answer the questions you have sought, for this very same reason, even if your intention was totally kosher.

PS:  I am not a lawyer, nor am I a breeder.  Just a guy who has a couple of working line GSDs of Czech/Slovak/DDR lineage and also a  Chocolate field labrador and currently posted as an expatriate in a different country/continent. 
PS2:  What is your background that makes you feel that Jenni, who has been a long-term owner of  GSDs and who actually personalizes every single dog who has ever passed through her care, knows intimately about every single aspect of their nutrition, upbringing and care and is utterly passionate about them, does not have any knowledge of, or concern for the breed ? 

It's amazing the posters, that don't have a clue about this breed....jmo. Is it possible that the ED could have contributed to the spinal degeneration? This is between Joanro and Mellmell.....period. Going public like this in reference to Vom Ron kennels will only affect those individuals that see the breed cosmetically, IMO. The breeder has excellent stock and has consistently produced good dogs......that's all a good breeder can do.