The importance of genetic diversity - Page 3

Ziegenfarm, the way I see it, that was the original intention of the koer system. Do we really need to reinvent the wheel? The system could be changed to allow other breeds/outcrosses to be approved for breeding.

But first, what needs to be done is to make sure the dogs receiving their KK1 and 2 are REALLY deserving of the koer rating, and eliminate the pollitics from the system. (Yeah, as if...   )

It sounds to me like a lot of GSD owners are not happy with what they have and want cross bred dogs, but still want the aspect of breed recognition. Am I missing something?
Hank

Very interesting. Good to see you posting again Michael. Hope all is well in your camp, as it is (finally) in mine.

Duke, in my last post I said bottlenecks and backmassing.....I purposely did not say in/line breeding. In/line breeding is an active phase, which can be very beneficial, backmassing and bottlenecks are the result of excessive in/line breeding to a detriment. Actually, you don't have to even linebred in the first five or six generations and can still have backmassing or a bottleneck( I'm sure you know this), I try to be careful how I word my assertions ......smile!

Duke, in my last post I said bottlenecks and backmassing.....I purposely did not say in/line breeding. In/line breeding is an active phase, which can be very beneficial, backmassing and bottlenecks are the result of excessive in/line breeding to a detriment. Actually, you don't have to even linebred in the first five or six generations and can still have backmassing or a bottleneck( I'm sure you know this), I try to be careful how I word my assertions ......smile!

hank, many people think the grass is greener on the other side, Helmut Raiser talked about crossing to malinois, but when he got himself a malinois and got more involved in that breed he got dissapointed, and changed his way of thinking,he personally told me that it is not wanted to breed GSD with malinois caracter because it will not be what  Captain Max was looking for, we are not looking for german shepherds with low tresholds and high drives.  I think many people should look more into the breed and will find that there are many GSD to be found with different abilities, so why outcross to another breed when wanted qualities are available in the breed

problem is that most people are only looking in the famous names, like the Tom leefdaelhof discussion, they are in love with 4 generations of champions of sport and then complain they are too  sporty

Gustav, it is better to have well thought out breeding with 10 times the same dog on your pedigree, than not having any other option than to get an accidental 4 times XXXX  on your pedigree because there are no dogs available anymore without 2 or three times  XXXX  on the pedigree



 

I agree with Mr. Raiser. Fads come and go, but it seems that there are always some that won't compromise the breeds integrity by falling for the hype.

hank

Duke, when it comes to German Shepherds, I wouldn't do either of the ways you listed....lol

Sunsilver, in the case of the basenji, of course the dogs had no pedigrees. Here is what they did if others are interested. It isn't that they want to cross breed with other breeds, but rather to infuse NEW foundation stock.

Somebody might enjoy this read about The Basenji Club of America African Stock Project.

http://www.basenji.org/african/intro.htm#about

Personally, I think there is enough genetic diversity in the GSD breed that an outcross to another breed is not needed. We just need to make better use of the diversity we have.

This is going to require a whole new mindset on the part of some of the breeders, who would rather slit their wrists than consider an outcross to say, a working line dog.