breeding a daughter to a father? opinions? - Page 2

Who is doing this with GSDs on here? 

where as most really close breeding turn out to be  accidents not done with thought and purpose.




EXACTLY! I am willing to bet this is an 'oops' litter!

In any case, if I were the OP, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. There are many, many good reasons the SV does not permit this sort of mating.
 

Good to know thanks guys, i think i will pass on this litter!

Mals are not German Shepherds, so that's one consideration It should only be done by an extremely knowledgable breeder that preferably has had the same dogs for at least three generations At this point in time I really think Mals have less genetic baggage than GS. Good Luck!

"i think i will pass on this litter!"

Wise move, me thinks!

If I like the dog. I would not hesitate to get a dog from an inbreeding.  As Gustav said mals don't have some of the issues as GSD.

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has their head up their proverbial butt.  Why do you think we have so very many nasty genetic problems in the GSD that we just can't seem to get rid of that many lines carry?  Duh!
Must be done by experts?!!  Should not be done by anyone.  A real expert in genetics and recessives would not do this. 

Has it ever occurred to you that the Maybe the GSD is where it is at is due to the SV? Their Koer, thier rules on breeding. Over 100 years of breeding and still can not fix the issues that plague the GSD. As the  Keepers of the breed need to be open mined to fix the garbage being produced.


Coming from a APBT background. Most of the best producing dogs in the APBT history, were inbred and had a COI (Wright's coefficent) of the high 20's -30's, some have in the high 30's low 40's. It is a not a quick fix. It is a long term goal and you need to be able to be truthful ad deal with the crap that pop up. 

Line breeding is just a weak form of inbreeding. When I hear the dog is linebred on  Fero for ex.  who is 5-5 in the pedigree. In a 5 generation pedigree (62 dogs), his genetic worth will be minimal at best.

But Wander maybe you are right. Imagine if you start inbreeding on some of the SL GSD, imagine what will surface.

Relik you should research some of the working mal kennels. You will be surprised how they are breeding.

You may indeed get one or two exceptional individuals, question is, what are you going to do with the genetic manure that shows up?  PTS as pups? PTS as one or two years old or sell to some unsuspecting boobs who don't know what they are getting into?

Mario, APBTs are my frame of reference, too, and what I had in mind when I posted.