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by Doberdoodle on 02 January 2011 - 04:01
I've heard the warnings that honey should never be given to babies under age 2 or so, apparently some people had put it on a pacifier to sweeten it and babies can get very ill from it. Royal Jelly supplements should be fine though, no?
And what is "natural" anyway? Dogs would not eat kelp or rice, but would they be taking down 900-pound cattle in the wild and eating cleaned pieces of meat or chicken eggs? More likely they would be catching rabbits, eating them fur and all. Dogs are not natural themselves, they have been genetically manipulated by humans for tens of thousands of years. And they were eating cooked scraps from humans, not raw meat. Animals in the wild often don't live as long as they would in captivity, due to diets and other dangers, wild dogs often eat garbage and can become ill from high bacteria loads of e-coli or salmonella in dead carcasses and get parasites. They can also go for days between kills, or be opportunistic and eat rotting carcasses or plant matter or fruits. I am a huge fan of raw diets, but I feel that some veggies will not cause any harm, they have antioxidants. And the small amounts of carbs from good whole grains (no corn, wheat, soy) may be a good thing, like oatmeal. Raw diets, like homemade, have a high chance of being imbalanced if not done properly.
And what is "natural" anyway? Dogs would not eat kelp or rice, but would they be taking down 900-pound cattle in the wild and eating cleaned pieces of meat or chicken eggs? More likely they would be catching rabbits, eating them fur and all. Dogs are not natural themselves, they have been genetically manipulated by humans for tens of thousands of years. And they were eating cooked scraps from humans, not raw meat. Animals in the wild often don't live as long as they would in captivity, due to diets and other dangers, wild dogs often eat garbage and can become ill from high bacteria loads of e-coli or salmonella in dead carcasses and get parasites. They can also go for days between kills, or be opportunistic and eat rotting carcasses or plant matter or fruits. I am a huge fan of raw diets, but I feel that some veggies will not cause any harm, they have antioxidants. And the small amounts of carbs from good whole grains (no corn, wheat, soy) may be a good thing, like oatmeal. Raw diets, like homemade, have a high chance of being imbalanced if not done properly.
by Two Moons on 02 January 2011 - 08:01
Natural is just a word too often tossed around with little or no meaning.
Honey has never been given to infants or the very young because it is a living organism with bacterias and if you've never had full cycle honey at the end of the season you've never had real honey.
People are ignorant of many things these days and that is sad.
Lets just say I'd rather give my dogs meat or a bone than a pill that claims to be better because it was man made specifically to be better, man can't improve on what I myself call natural.
Animals need a good diet yes, especially when reproducing, but too much through supplements is not improving anything and in my opinion does more harm than good.
A little common sense goes a long way.
Honey has never been given to infants or the very young because it is a living organism with bacterias and if you've never had full cycle honey at the end of the season you've never had real honey.
People are ignorant of many things these days and that is sad.
Lets just say I'd rather give my dogs meat or a bone than a pill that claims to be better because it was man made specifically to be better, man can't improve on what I myself call natural.
Animals need a good diet yes, especially when reproducing, but too much through supplements is not improving anything and in my opinion does more harm than good.
A little common sense goes a long way.
by nonacona60 on 02 January 2011 - 09:01
Many good opinions on this topic....The one that is best, is the one that works for each individual person or breeder.......JMO
by Two Moons on 03 January 2011 - 15:01
Your opinion is wrong Nona,
what's best is not what works for each individual person,
I am strongly opposed to feeding a dog pills and supplements in place of a correct diet.
I am opposed to people who think they can make something happen simply through the use of enhancing drugs and chemicals.
It's just not acceptable to me, and not good for the animal or it's offspring or any given breed.
what's best is not what works for each individual person,
I am strongly opposed to feeding a dog pills and supplements in place of a correct diet.
I am opposed to people who think they can make something happen simply through the use of enhancing drugs and chemicals.
It's just not acceptable to me, and not good for the animal or it's offspring or any given breed.
by hodie on 03 January 2011 - 15:01
I have to laugh at those kinds of all--inclusive statements when so often the people who make them put all kinds of foreign substances in their bodies......
Sort of like the women outside the supermarket a few years ago all protesting a particular pesticide on an apple crop, and all of them were standing around holding their signs smoking their favorite cigarette....
Sort of like the women outside the supermarket a few years ago all protesting a particular pesticide on an apple crop, and all of them were standing around holding their signs smoking their favorite cigarette....
by Doberdoodle on 03 January 2011 - 16:01
When I used to work at PetSmart, people would be buying a big bag of Purina Dog Chow (crap) then spend $20 on a "Missing Link" supplement. Really?
But there is value in good supplements IMO, I prefer VetriScience brand, they are best quality (www.vetdepot.com is where I buy most of my supplements), my dogs get glucosamine/msm pills, fish oil, a digestive enzyme probiotic powder, and a multi-vitamin every day. I give my 11-year old a B-12 shot monthly, saw palmetto, co q10, metacam for arthritis, and a senior vitamin.
Myself, I take iron, B vitamin complex, multi-vitamins, zinc, acidophilus, and some protein drinks once or twice a week to make up for not eating meat.
But there is value in good supplements IMO, I prefer VetriScience brand, they are best quality (www.vetdepot.com is where I buy most of my supplements), my dogs get glucosamine/msm pills, fish oil, a digestive enzyme probiotic powder, and a multi-vitamin every day. I give my 11-year old a B-12 shot monthly, saw palmetto, co q10, metacam for arthritis, and a senior vitamin.
Myself, I take iron, B vitamin complex, multi-vitamins, zinc, acidophilus, and some protein drinks once or twice a week to make up for not eating meat.
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