how do you train the out command - Page 3

Uber,
I am not against your approach for a trained dog that understands the commands and gives it's handler the doggie finger.  I do not like strong corrections until the dog understands the command and then is disobedient.  I do not like to correct a dog for something it doesn't understand, to me that is not fair.  If the dog understands the recall command or the down command and chooses to ignore it;  that is disobedience and must be corrected, immediately and effectively. 

I may have read the OP wrong, but I got the feeling the dog was not well trained and the handler inexperienced.  I think there is much more to the problem here than a dog that just doesn't listen and chases people.

Jim

I agree Slamdunc, I don't think they can handle the dog.  my suggestion was just that, a suggestion.  I am all for obedience training and behavior modification.  what I posted should have been for the last ditch effort.

OP has a serious issue going on, and does need to take charge quickly before the dog hurts someone, I wouldn't want my dog attacking a child or elderly person, just not something I can sleep with. I've put dogs to sleep for that reason, before they attacked someone.  too much of a liability.

Thank you Jim.  Up until now we were getting the "short cut" answers for taking the "easy way out" for the handler and the "geez, I just got my ass kicked for something?" for the dog.

Stoner, you say you've put "dogs" (as in multiples)  to sleep because you couldn't correct a running away or lunging problem, yet you give advise on another thread to a 17 year old who is dealing with owner aggression issues?  Kind of hypocritical and irresponsible isn't it?

probably should have stated, on my dogs, I worked them with obed,  I tried the recall work, the distraction technique, and nothing helped.  once that prey drive kicked in, they became deaf to me. any other time, they had perfect obedience and recall.
 only thing that got their attention and stopped the behavior was the line jerk.

and yes Phil, I see going after people a very serious problem which should be fixed with an appropriate response, I don't want it happening twice, so a serious correction is what I view was called for.  but the OP doesn't have control over the dog in normal situations, let alone one so critical and serious as what he describes.

If your dog cannot respond to a command under distraction,,,,,,,any distraction, then it DOES NOT know the command.  Anytime you use the words"if" or "but", it becomes an excuse.

let see, 1 was a boxer male who developed rage syndrome, my mother was fixing a kennel and I was outside watching since I was on crutches. 2 of the bitches started to fight, the male stodd up on my mothers chest, got in her face and growled while barring his teeth.  me on crutches hubbled over and with a tie down was able to choke him down.  when he got back up it was like nothing had happened, he was loaded into the car, taken right to the vet and put down.

the 2nd was a gsd bitch from WG showlines.  got her from Malinda Julien, she had been allowed to have adult bitches beat the shit out of her over and over.  had no dog aggression when I got her, but scars on top of scars.  wasn't till a few months later when school let out and kids started kiding their bikes did I realize she hated children.  she could clear 8 ft kennels in one leap, and would actively go after a child, so before she was able to do that, I took her and had her put down.  was not a risk I wanted, whether she could have been saved or placed. I did not want to place her, and then hear one day she mauled a child.

3rd was the belgian male, he was getting older, had the major attitude issue which we worked out, but once he started getting my females down by the throat for no reason, I took his ass down and had him put to sleep.

some dogs can't be saved.  and before I let something I am responsible for maul or kill someone, I will have it put down.  theres no reason in the world to take that risk.

don't care if you continue to call me stoner either.

Sounds like there was a pattern developing.  Dogs don't just "turn" on you, there were signs coming all along, either you didn't see them or you didn't act on them.  FYI, dogs don't do things for "no reason", there's always a reason.  

Don't care if you don't care. 

actually you need to research rage syndrome.  and a dog I had only owned for a couple months, hating children to the point of persueing them to attack them, not normal, and not something that was allowed to happen at my home. same with the belgian male, not something that was allowed, or learned from my house.

only pattern developing might be other people sending me their problem/shit dogs.