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by ONYX HAUS on 01 February 2010 - 02:02
Lav no i'm not in Romania and yes the clip is not showing any real courage or fight.. It was just a rushed clip put together from a cell phone.. Its only because it was paused whilst recording and re started, that it seems that Onyx walked away casually and calmly. Will get someone to post new clips, and get different and better footage i hope... Dont forget his first bite was at 3 years of age and the last session was in 2009.. Onyx has not been conditioned like the dogs you guys have, but its pretty damn good for several bites which he has only had..
With the rock concert thing, well Onyx has the bloodline of dogs who have worked at rock concerts and Prison/Police sectors.. Out with the New and in with the Old.. LOL
by troublelinx on 01 February 2010 - 02:02
Hey Bro,
The level of aggression shown in the video does not seem particulary high. This is not to take anything away from your dog. If he were preperly trained it is possible someone could pull a good level of agression out of him.
My dog is being trained for a sport other than schutzhund though she is not very sporty, she comes with bad intentions, when she works not just playing tug. just on command her intensity = your dog times fifty. Slap her in the face with a stick = youdog times 150. I do not get how you can generalize the motives of all sport dogs.
This is not to say your dog does not have it but rather has not had good training. Nice looking dog though.
You may have gotten the 1 in 1000 dog but I just do not see it. I am very particular about working dogs and am good at picking them in their work. this dog does not make my top ten.
Although my current gsd is the best I have had so far I see her weaknesses. She has good prey drive 8 out of 10. Although not super crazy high in prey. I do not particulary view this as a falt. She is well ballenced though naturally on the civil side and slightly defensive ,, a bit of an edge if you will,although not fearful or agressive to strangers. She is very aware of people around her and will let them pet her. She never seek attention from others though. Good prey in work but it is serious i want to hurt you prey. Not god with kids, this counts as a bad. She can not be petted near the trainng field she will alert to anyone moving gear or no gear. Her weakness is that twice she overloaded in bite work. both times I had to do an attention heel to focus her. Usually though obedience is incooperated into agitation.
Point being that all dogs have weaknesses and thresholds. You speak as though their are very few people who have dogs like your or infact better than yours. My next dog will be better than my current dog. For this to happen someone has to have a better quality dog than I currently have. With a dog of your caliber he must be getting studded out 10 -20 times a month.
Although you say you have been around different trainers and dogs you do not seem to have lots of exposure to quality dogs. You would need to see enough to from opinions based on what YOU see. And takling to knowlegable trainers is good to understand their point of view. However you should not base what you think based totally on someone elses experiences.
I found the video humerous. it reminded me of the many times people have told me how agressive their dog is because of the way it barks and growls inside of a fenced in yard.
It sounds like lack of knowledge. This is coming from a person who has to be around working dog and involved in dogs one way or another. My dogs have trained aside with people who's dogs were working line, psa ,some schuzhund, activepolice dogs, french ring, attended various trials of different sports and competed in PSA. Having seen all of this I can form educated opinions based on what I have seen or experienced with my dogs.
Now I know most peolpe in my circle know sooo much more than the little experience that I have. Thats why I seem to learn something every time I train my dog or see someone elses dog trained.
I say this to say if you think that that display of agression is magnififant you have not seen much. Not to be mean but if that is the best I can hope for in the GSD breed than I am putting them down (not to be confused with putting to sleep). I give up my next dog will be a malnois or dutch.
Robert
by LAVK-9 on 01 February 2010 - 03:02
by Sunsilver on 01 February 2010 - 03:02
????? What the HECK are you talking about??
Geez, I'll have to tell my Hearing Ear dog that the next time he alerts me to the smoke alarm going off!
Yes, I know you're talking about protection work here, and not a medical service dog, but still....the same holds true. The best dogs have the abillity to know when someone is up to no good, but they still need training to make them reliable and safe. Same thing goes for family pets who alert their owners to a fire in the house. That's great, but I'd much rather trust my life to a dog that's been specifically trained for this task.
Sorry, I'm ROTFLOL here!
by troublelinx on 01 February 2010 - 04:02
by LAVK-9 on 01 February 2010 - 04:02
Sunsilver- good luck understanding what he is meaning.If you do...explain it to me...and probably everyone else.As he just doesn't make sence....or I am not reading things clearly.
by troublelinx on 01 February 2010 - 04:02
I think that some breeders and some people who sell purposely misrepresent their dogs to people who do not know any better or to people who can not read the dog or body language.
For example a person buys a pretrained titled schutzhund dog. The dog is worked and he bites the sleeve fully so now they think they have a protection dog. If the dog then gets hard stick hits and almost completely comes off the bite they don't really see it because they do not have any understanding of why the dog is doing what he is doing. And if this same dog gave 4 inches of sleeve back to the decoy after a good stick hit, and that the only reason the dog did not come off completely is because the sleeve was slipped, they would not see that either. This is a real dog and a real situation that happened during training.
I do not think that he is an idiot, he just has not had exposure to what he is writing about. The only problem is that he thinks that he knows more than he actually does.
When I first began to train security dogs in Detroit I knew absolutely nothing about working dogs. However I thought I knew about dogs. I did not take long before I had an epiphany and had a realization that I actually knew nothing at all. But I learned a lot and continue to do so.
Robert
by OGBS on 01 February 2010 - 08:02
Maybe Max should have named the breed Crazy German Fear Agressive Dogs?
by ONYX HAUS on 01 February 2010 - 08:02
Hope the coming new footage can give a better indication of strengths and weaknesses in Onyx..
Sunsilver yes ofcourse a trained dog is much better, but a good foundation does help, and i believe that is through genetics.
by ShelleyR on 01 February 2010 - 09:02
Sport dog or real dog?
Ask the helpers who worked him.
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