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by Kelly M Shaw on 13 December 2009 - 14:12
Sorry to say arbeiter this is not a scam, and there are many people on here and else where that know me. I know your trying to protect the people on this PDB forum which is good, but I for one am not a scammer. Please check me out if you would like. My full name is on the PDB, not some made up name.
Kelly J, I will PM you the HTML link, thank you very much. Any help is better than nothing for my boo bah!!!
Thank you shepherdmom for the insight. I truly hope that his appointment tomorrow is a very good outcome for Brix.
Caldax, I am truly sorry to hear what you and your puppy are going through, that is just horrible :-( I will send good thoughts and prayers your way for a quick and fast recovery!!!
Ambiigsd, the ortho specialist was not confident with himself on doing such a complex surgery. I will not amputate unless there is NO other option. I will find out more tomorrow at his appointment. If the leg is fixable, why amputate? just to save more money? Sorry, but my fur coated kids mean more to me than saving a buck here and there. I will do what is best for him, and will find out tomorrow.
Kel
www.boeselagerkennel.com
Kelly J, I will PM you the HTML link, thank you very much. Any help is better than nothing for my boo bah!!!
Thank you shepherdmom for the insight. I truly hope that his appointment tomorrow is a very good outcome for Brix.
Caldax, I am truly sorry to hear what you and your puppy are going through, that is just horrible :-( I will send good thoughts and prayers your way for a quick and fast recovery!!!
Ambiigsd, the ortho specialist was not confident with himself on doing such a complex surgery. I will not amputate unless there is NO other option. I will find out more tomorrow at his appointment. If the leg is fixable, why amputate? just to save more money? Sorry, but my fur coated kids mean more to me than saving a buck here and there. I will do what is best for him, and will find out tomorrow.
Kel
www.boeselagerkennel.com
by iloveshepherds on 13 December 2009 - 14:12
This is totally not a scam I can assure you. Kelly is a longtime member of this site and has been a good voice of reason and experience. I helped because I believe if it was some of us in this position, Kelly would help us too if she could! Good luck with Brix!
by Kelly M Shaw on 13 December 2009 - 15:12
Thank you sooo very much iloveshepherds :-) I would do the exact same thing if someone needed help with their fur coated kid!!! I care deeply about my kids, and will do anything to help them out and make sure they have the best life that they can get. I will keep you updated on Brix. Thank you again, and I hope you have a very Merry Christmas!!!
Just to update on what shepherdmom said. It is very true as a breeder you can not rely on a litter of pups to pay for anything, b/c such things as c-sections, God forbid dead pups, a singleton pup, the list goes on. Brix is out of my first litter in 2 1/2 years, so if you can't tell I do not have litter's popping up all over the place, and I never breed my girls back to back either. As it was pointed out, he needs this surgery done immediately which in other words can not wait.
Thank you to all that have either helped out by contributing to my Boo Bahs surgery, and/or just by passing the word out about my Boo Bah being in need!!! I appreciate it all, and Thank You for caring.
Kel
www.boeselagerkennel.com
Just to update on what shepherdmom said. It is very true as a breeder you can not rely on a litter of pups to pay for anything, b/c such things as c-sections, God forbid dead pups, a singleton pup, the list goes on. Brix is out of my first litter in 2 1/2 years, so if you can't tell I do not have litter's popping up all over the place, and I never breed my girls back to back either. As it was pointed out, he needs this surgery done immediately which in other words can not wait.
Thank you to all that have either helped out by contributing to my Boo Bahs surgery, and/or just by passing the word out about my Boo Bah being in need!!! I appreciate it all, and Thank You for caring.
Kel
www.boeselagerkennel.com
by Allieg on 13 December 2009 - 15:12
This is not a scam.
Good Luck Kelly and Brix.Let's hope his leg can be saved.
Good Luck Kelly and Brix.Let's hope his leg can be saved.
by VomMarischal on 13 December 2009 - 17:12
Everybody needs a boost once in a while.
by 1doggie2 on 13 December 2009 - 17:12
Kelly, I am not giving advise one way or the other, you and you alone have to make that choice. I have a girl friend who's Rott got bone cancer and she cut his front leg off, then they went on to finish his OB titles (Rally).
The Rotts carry a lot more weight than the GSD's and to watch him was amzing. I loved this dog and prior to this he was built like a mac truck. It was an honor to have know this dog.
Sometimes we let our emotions get in the way of what is best for the dog. .
The Rotts carry a lot more weight than the GSD's and to watch him was amzing. I loved this dog and prior to this he was built like a mac truck. It was an honor to have know this dog.
Sometimes we let our emotions get in the way of what is best for the dog. .
by danbee on 13 December 2009 - 18:12
I don't know the OP but just wanted to tell you about a dog I saw at SchH training last week. There is a Dutch Shepherd there which lost an ear, 1/2 his tail and his front leg in a dog fight. It took me a minute after seeing him on the field to even realize that the leg was missing. He did all the SchH work better than most dogs with 4 legs and looked like a Tasmanian Devil on the end of the line :-) After watching this dog I'd have to think that if it was a choice between amputation or a possibly weak/malformed/not fully functioning leg I'd amputate. This dog didn't even seem to realize he was missing anything.
by Mark3 on 13 December 2009 - 22:12
Bearing in mind, you are asking people to chip in for surgery, I have a few questions.
I’ve had a look at the x-rays and I don’t see a fracture but I see a bowing on both legs…both shanks aren’t straight on X-ray so I‘m not convinced of a fracture as a primary.
Now to my eye, there is something not quite right in the front with Layla too…….is Brix related to Layla?
I trust you will see why I ask if this could be heredity problem or perhaps something else going on. I’m not saying that there isn’t a healed fracture, I’m asking is it primary or secondary…
Picture of Layla on here so you can see why I ask…
www.boeselagerkennel.com/gallery.html
I’ve had a look at the x-rays and I don’t see a fracture but I see a bowing on both legs…both shanks aren’t straight on X-ray so I‘m not convinced of a fracture as a primary.
Now to my eye, there is something not quite right in the front with Layla too…….is Brix related to Layla?
I trust you will see why I ask if this could be heredity problem or perhaps something else going on. I’m not saying that there isn’t a healed fracture, I’m asking is it primary or secondary…
Picture of Layla on here so you can see why I ask…
www.boeselagerkennel.com/gallery.html
by petowner on 14 December 2009 - 00:12
Good post Mark3. I agree that BOTH legs are affected and looking at the picture of layla in the gallery section, her front legs are far from right. I do sympathise with the owner but looking at the xrays I think this abnormality has been evident for quite some time. I have looked at the medical link supplied by the owner, it looks like a form of rickets that was once a common occurence in large breeds. I don't see any fracture on the xray either that would cause this abnormality. I would seriously be looking at my breeding stock and also be looking at the nutritional aspect.
Louise M Penery would be a good member to get an opinion from.
Louise M Penery would be a good member to get an opinion from.
by Kelly M Shaw on 14 December 2009 - 00:12
Thank you VomMarischal :-)
1doggie2, and danbee, if it is a choice of leaving his leg the way it is or amputating, I will obviously make the right decision to amputate. I will know more tomorrow, so I can have a better idea of what is best for my baby boy.
Mark3, I see that you are rather new to this forum. I don't mind someone emailing me to ask questions, or directing the questions to me personally on this forum, but are you asking me personally? or the whole PDB forum in general?
You obviously will not be able to see the small fracture that he had in his growth plate, b/c it has obviously healed wrong which in turn made his bone start to bowe out wrong. Any vet (which I have talked to many who have seen his x-ray's in person) will tell you this (there is no way to see the small fracture in his growth plate any more b/c it is fully healed, and healed up wrong), unless you want to spend a lot of $$$ to do a bone scan. As for Layla, both her legs are normal. If you just only go by the picture that I quickly had to snap in the back of my truck, you can tell that she was ready to take off, which means she is not standing straight. It was always difficult to get pictures of her standing still, b/c she was like the energizer bunny rabbit, seriously. If you go to www.boeselagerkennel.com/layla.html you will see a picture of her in standing form. If you would like for me to email you more picture's of Layla, I would be happy too. The people that know me and have known me for years, know that I am very honest about all my dog's, so in other words if Brix did in fact have a deformed hereditary bone in his leg, I would have said so with out a problem. I have no problem saying so if that was the case, which it is not. I have nothing to hide or lie about, never have, and never will. Now if you would like to email me personally kelly@boeselagerkennels.com I will be happy to send you the full size of Brix's x-ray's, and a ton of picture's of Layla. I tried to get on photobucket, but b/c of my stupid dialup I've been having issues trying to get on there to download the x-ray's, and get to all of Layla's picture's. I have NO problems asking questions, but please if your going to ask me personally, please direct it to me, not the whole forum.
P.S. Both of Brix's legs are NOT bowed out. If that was the case, I would have said so.
QUOTE: I trust you will see why I ask if this could be heredity problem or perhaps something else going on. I’m not saying that there isn’t a healed fracture, I’m asking is it primary or secondary…
Brix's fracture in his growth plate is the Primary reason why his leg started to bowe out. It is not hereditary, and I was told this by many vets that have seen his x-ray's in person. The fracture healed wrong which in turn started to cause his leg to bowe out, and he is in his growth spert right now too. I will try to get picture's of him at MSU. Mark3 if you have any more questions please feel free to ask and direct it to me either on this forum or email, or in person.
Thank You
Kelly S
www.boeselagerkennel.com
1doggie2, and danbee, if it is a choice of leaving his leg the way it is or amputating, I will obviously make the right decision to amputate. I will know more tomorrow, so I can have a better idea of what is best for my baby boy.
Mark3, I see that you are rather new to this forum. I don't mind someone emailing me to ask questions, or directing the questions to me personally on this forum, but are you asking me personally? or the whole PDB forum in general?
You obviously will not be able to see the small fracture that he had in his growth plate, b/c it has obviously healed wrong which in turn made his bone start to bowe out wrong. Any vet (which I have talked to many who have seen his x-ray's in person) will tell you this (there is no way to see the small fracture in his growth plate any more b/c it is fully healed, and healed up wrong), unless you want to spend a lot of $$$ to do a bone scan. As for Layla, both her legs are normal. If you just only go by the picture that I quickly had to snap in the back of my truck, you can tell that she was ready to take off, which means she is not standing straight. It was always difficult to get pictures of her standing still, b/c she was like the energizer bunny rabbit, seriously. If you go to www.boeselagerkennel.com/layla.html you will see a picture of her in standing form. If you would like for me to email you more picture's of Layla, I would be happy too. The people that know me and have known me for years, know that I am very honest about all my dog's, so in other words if Brix did in fact have a deformed hereditary bone in his leg, I would have said so with out a problem. I have no problem saying so if that was the case, which it is not. I have nothing to hide or lie about, never have, and never will. Now if you would like to email me personally kelly@boeselagerkennels.com I will be happy to send you the full size of Brix's x-ray's, and a ton of picture's of Layla. I tried to get on photobucket, but b/c of my stupid dialup I've been having issues trying to get on there to download the x-ray's, and get to all of Layla's picture's. I have NO problems asking questions, but please if your going to ask me personally, please direct it to me, not the whole forum.
P.S. Both of Brix's legs are NOT bowed out. If that was the case, I would have said so.
QUOTE: I trust you will see why I ask if this could be heredity problem or perhaps something else going on. I’m not saying that there isn’t a healed fracture, I’m asking is it primary or secondary…
Brix's fracture in his growth plate is the Primary reason why his leg started to bowe out. It is not hereditary, and I was told this by many vets that have seen his x-ray's in person. The fracture healed wrong which in turn started to cause his leg to bowe out, and he is in his growth spert right now too. I will try to get picture's of him at MSU. Mark3 if you have any more questions please feel free to ask and direct it to me either on this forum or email, or in person.
Thank You
Kelly S
www.boeselagerkennel.com
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