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by VomMarischal on 04 November 2009 - 16:11

Wow. Dad looks a little Panda-ish himself.....

That puppy is wild! 

by silverish on 04 November 2009 - 17:11

As far as I know there is no white shepherd in my dogs background, I only have pictures of his parents, grandparents and great grandparents though. (Not on my computer) I am not sure of the mothers background, I do believe we are going to breed him with a white shepherd before we fix him, and it will be interesting to see what happens!

She is very healthy and VERY active, she eats like a little pig! She is the runt of her litter, but she is catching up fast! And that is mom and dad, I have the father... he looks a lot light in that picture then he really is, he has typically black saddle and long black tail! Anybody that can get to these pictures can also see pictures of the rest of the puppies as they grow up.

They are now 9 weeks old and weigh an average of 15-17 pounds (panda is smaller, around 9, but she is growing and healthy.. just went to the vet!)


mikecast1

by mikecast1 on 04 November 2009 - 17:11

I agree with malshep:   "A new mutation :) The genes suprise us every now and again."  That puppy may just be a gift.  Cool.

pod

by pod on 04 November 2009 - 17:11

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pod

by pod on 04 November 2009 - 17:11

SORRY, PROBLEMS WITH KEYBOARD

pod

by pod on 04 November 2009 - 17:11

The solid white in Shepherds is totally different from the type of white in this puppy. Solid white is in fact a very pale form of yellow, the same gene that make a Labrador yellow.  This pup is definitely not that type of white.  That is evident by the normal coloured tanpoint patches on her head.  She is a black & tan with a large expanse of unpigmented coat.

Breeding her to a white will produce white only if she happens to carry recessive e on the extension locus.  She may possible carry it even if there are no whites in her breeding.  A recessive can be carried for many generations, but that nothing to do with the colour of this particular pup. 

by DanicaBeckefeld on 04 November 2009 - 18:11

Might just be sliver like the dad. It could darken like my sable pup has started to. He went from almost soild  black to almost solid red and now is getting dark again. Since it has a black nose i'd say it's just a light grey or silver color.

DebiSue

by DebiSue on 04 November 2009 - 18:11

That is so wild!  Seems like we are seeing more & more Panda pups popping up.  Curious.

pod

by pod on 04 November 2009 - 18:11

Silverish, if you are interested in finding out if this is a panda mutation, you should contact Mark Neff who is working on this. details here - http://www.pandashepherds.com/genetic_panda_info
You will need to send in DNA samples and they will no doubt ask for both parents as well as the pup.  This will give an automatic check on parentage... something I would be inclined to do for peace of mind (as Galant has already suggested).

One other explanation is that this pup has had an interruption in normal pigment cell migration.  A sort of blip in the developmental stage that isn't under genetic control.

Ceph

by Ceph on 04 November 2009 - 19:11

Mirasmom -- solid white has nothing to do with spotting.  Completely seperate Loci.

White coated shepherds...which are really cream coated...are double recessive at the Extension Locus.

Dogs with white spots are affected with recessive alleles at a Spotting Locus.

The pale coat color of the sire is caused by dominant alleles at the Intensity Locus.

No relationship to each other.  Like Pod said, unless the pup carries for the recessive "e" at the Extension Locus you wont have extension white dogs.  And unless the white dog carries for recessive spotting alleles liklihood is that you'll see alot more color and alot less white on the resulting progeny.  As the Spotting Loci are incompletely dominant you would probably see spotting irregardless of the white dog carrying a recessive spotting allele...but you'll see less.

~Cate





 


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