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by steve1 on 19 October 2009 - 11:10

WIM
I did read your posts carefully, and the crowd did certainly voice there disprovel and if you had been there you would have heard it, Or perhaps it is time i went to join the funny farm some Guys from the USA right behind me were shouting Toughen up Buddy, the Helper was being thrown around by some dogs including Como My last on this post we see what we see and i will not change my mind on what i saw the two days i was there
Steve1

by WIM on 20 October 2009 - 08:10

@Steve1

I have been in Krefeld for 6 days, so I heard the yelling and disapproval from a part of the crowd also. And I can imagine that on some occasions the disapproval was justified, a helper can make a mistake, but was it on purpose? But that is not my point. For me it is important that all dogs had to deal with the same problems caused by these helpers. Therefore the skills from the helpers of the lack of it is not a discussion for me. On the FCI wc for instance, dogs were injured, crippled by the helpers, a lot more reasons to have serious complaints, agree?

I have been to EUSV/WUSV championships as a spectator since 1977 and there have always been complaints about the helpers, sometimes less and sometimes heavily. And that's my point: train on it, deal with it. I am pretty sure that next year in Spain apart from the temperature, also the helpers will be very much different from this year's helpers. Better or worse?

So again, I am very much interested in the comments coming from Diegel and Lance Collins.

Best regards, Wim.

by judron55 on 20 October 2009 - 11:10

Correct Wim....there will be no trial without controversy...period! As a handler, at that level, you must come prepared! Maybe I am missing something here....isn't the protection judge in control of the helpers and if not why? How can they be beholden to an outside influence? Is it some sort of politics or is this done all over. Who is in charge of the helpers in trials here in the States? Just curious:-)

by steve1 on 20 October 2009 - 12:10

@Wim
One final post

I have never said there was anything done on purpose by any helper i said the Guy in the Escape was i my opinion not stronge enough for the working of some of the dogs and that is my opinion of which i have a right too Unless it is what you say that we have to believe

As for Mr Collins commenting on what happened or Mr Diegel i see no need but of course they are intitled too also why not bring in the Helper as well for he is the one i am talking about mostly.
I like everyone else see what i see and nothing will alter that regardless of what you say or any other person may explain.
In effect what you are saying to me is that i do not know what i am talking about BUT you do that is your opinion only
But again we have another world wide expert in you it seems and us mere mortals must watch If we are permmited to but say nothing, What gives you the right to know more than a huge crowd of onlookers including me, I guess because
you were maybe in Kefeld for 6 days but you only watched two days more competition than i did
Perhaps if i get to Sevilla next year and unless something untowards happens i certainly expect to be there and it will be for the whole competition we can meet and watch a bit together then you can give me the benifit of your expertise
Steve1

by poseidon on 20 October 2009 - 21:10

Thanks GregN for the pics compliments. I really do not know which country that dog that had his eyes blinking and did not engage the helper. When the exercise is terminated I do not bother to take the rest of the sequence, hence no clue. Just as well. No need to name and shame. The damage is done :(

As regards to your comments of the Canadian flying bitch Billie, who fights like a dog, well she is Tarzan Tiekerhook's daughter!

by karen forbes on 22 October 2009 - 13:10

Why can't people just say that she is a good female...why does it have to be that she is as good as a male that is just annoying

by country boy on 22 October 2009 - 14:10

JMHO
I thought the first part helper did an excellent job throught out the trail and tested all the dogs as fairly as possible. I really liked how the "escape " was set up. It exposed alot of training problems.
Gator's performance was mechanically not 100 pts but I think the judge was (rightfully so) very impressed with the dog's power and most important, his ability to perform his control phases with calmness. I would have love to seen him win the championship by making a V in obedience but unfortunately that didn't happen. That bloodline has so much to offer.

by GregN on 22 October 2009 - 18:10

"by Karen Forbes Why can't people just say that she is a good female...why does it have to be that she is as good as a male that is just annoying"

I'll tell you why and annoy you some more, because she works like a strong confident male and not like "a good female"...first time I saw her was at the 2006 WUSV in Denmark....didn't know who she was and she caught my attention during training prior to the trial; I initially mistook the dog for a male based on her power, as she is not your 'typical' female. Saw her again at the Masters....IMO, from the limited performances that I've seen in person and in video, she seems to posess all the traits that a bitch should have to be considered breed worthy.

by rotkaeppchen on 22 October 2009 - 21:10

Speaking of outstanding females, how about John Jabina's, Jabina Dighte. That is one heck of a stong female!
http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/48725/Jabina-Dighte

by karen forbes on 23 October 2009 - 12:10

Thanks...that even has a nice sound to it

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