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by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 12 October 2009 - 05:10
"I am curious about one statement. Why can't Eric be bred? "
by Langhaar on 12 October 2009 - 09:10
by steve1 on 12 October 2009 - 21:10
When you consider the Handlers and Dogs had around only 5 minutes each and only twice to loosen up and train on the field i think they all did exceptionally well, Certainly the Dogs which negotiated the Hides without fault on the protection phase did great
That is a testament to there stabilty and concentration
Steve1
by Silbersee on 13 October 2009 - 01:10
out of curiosity: You were not aware of the big animosity against the judge for C?
Right now I have been reading the German Leistungshunde forum and they are ready to send out a lynch mob after judge Lance Collins! According to them, his judging was inconsistent and a failure which cost lots of good dogs points, including the great Belgian dog. They are calling him a catastrophy who even admitted that judging all these dogs is not easy. They further state that he was either in the way of the dog or helper or in a position where he could not see the performance of the dog correctly.
The short video of the 100 points dog was also commented on: Two mistakes, small but still there - dog looked around for the handler when he approached, only fleetingly but he did. Also sloppy side transport. That alone should have never been a 100 routine. There is also a photo on the German forum of the grip of said dog which is quite shallow.
I did not attend the WUSV nor did I watch it on SV Media, so I just go by what I have been reading for the past couple of days now - comments by dozens of people. According to them, the judge was really "boohed out" numerous times.
What is your opinion?
Chris
by RKS on 13 October 2009 - 03:10
Would you please give the url of the German Leistungshunde forum, I could not find it by way of google. Thanks
Rainer
by autobahn on 13 October 2009 - 03:10
by steve1 on 13 October 2009 - 06:10
The Obedience i believe the Judge to be very fair but strict as it should be, he did not give out points out like sweeties but gave the Dogs what they deserved, But one point here which some may forget about on big trial or competitions which will cost them points and well worth thinking about, i may stir the pot a bit but will come back on another post about it
The C phase Protection i found to be inconsistent,
Now i am talking in general terms overall, For instance when the judge gave out the marks even if a Dog had a bad patch i some parts he explained well enough then said Good performance, but he had said otherwise a few seconds earlier, I did see two dogs one after the other got disqualified on the escape they failed to make contact first bite but engaged second bite but the excesses was terminated
One such Guy was from China, What a deflated Man he must have been, He travelled all the way on his own with his Dog he was the team Captain of himself i really sorry for the guy it was sad to see him walk out but the fellow held his head high a very good Sportsman,
But when you get his own countrymen booing and whistling at the Judge and the Helper it does say something, There was no booing of the Judge on Obedience that also says something
But it is over and done with now the young Girl who won it was great so was her Dog i hope she Carry's on to compete next year. There were many great Dogs and Handlers there and some who were not good enough but they had the right to go for there country
And i think i learned a huge amount myself specially on the Obed i noticed several little things which the top guys did and the other Handlers did not and it makes or loses points so yes, i learned a fair but in those two days i watched
Steve1
by WIM on 13 October 2009 - 08:10
Impressions of the WUSV championships in Krefeld:
Poor positional observation of protectionwork by judge Collins the first two days, also questionable judging:
- especially Javir v Talka Marda didn't deserve 98 points, perhaps 95/96 at the most. But 98 pnts enough to become 4th..
- where did the 100 points protectionwork for Satoris Gator come from? I, with many others, was very suprised.
- protectionwork of dogs which past the 20 mtr line without preventing the flight of the helper was rightfully terminated, but the dog of former champ Ronny vd Berghe wasn't, why?
- but, im most cases the points given bij judge Collins were appropriate
The judging of the obedience was on a high level. Judge Mullegger did a very fine job. I don't think any competitor was given points he or she didn't really deserve. Compliments.
The tracks were very short - 300 p or less, a WUSV championship unworthy. The judge is not responsible for that, judge Lengvarsky therefore focussed perhaps too much on details, e.g. he saw help from the handler were in reality no help was given.
Overall it was a WUSV wc on a medium level, with a record number of competitors of 162, 20.000 spectators and a Champion who really did deserve the title. In Israel it is not that easy to train a dog at such a high level, facilities as we have in this part of Europe are utopia over there, therefore Sharon Ronen with her Sam deserves all honors because she beat all semi-professionals and highly sponsored famous dog handlers coming from Germany, Japan, USA, Belgium, Holland, Sweden etc.
Congratulations Sharon!!
by judron55 on 13 October 2009 - 10:10
by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 14 October 2009 - 06:10
out of curiosity: You were not aware of the big animosity against the judge for C? -- -No. I was not aware of that. I was not there, just watching the live feeds offered by SV.
Sure, I will offer my opinion. But please, remember that I am just another dipshit typing on the keyboard on the internet with an opinion. No shortage of those. So, whatever I "think" is only what I have seen over the computer for the past week, wasn't there, wasn't on the field, anything.
"Right now I have been reading the German Leistungshunde forum and they are ready to send out a lynch mob after judge Lance Collins!" -- He was chosen WELL in advance of this event by WUSV commitee, they are fine with him, we should be too. I am. I think he did make some mistakes, but overal, his judging was fair and consistent - in MY opinion, but again, I am just a guy typing crap on an internet message board.
"According to them, his judging was inconsistent and a failure which cost lots of good dogs points, including the great Belgian dog. They are calling him a catastrophy who even admitted that judging all these dogs is not easy. They further state that he was either in the way of the dog or helper or in a position where he could not see the performance of the dog correctly." -- Well, I don't know about being "in the way". He was really close to the action a lot of times from what I could see, yes, I guess so he can really evaluate grips, dogs performances, temperaments etc...
Of course, it's not easy. I would be scared shitless to judge an event of that magnitude in fear of being inconsistent. Even if I had the knowldge to judge an event like this (I do not), or the experience to see everythintg there to evaluate fairly (Which, again I do not), or any thousands of other things a judge of that level should have (which, also I do not have) I would still be terrified.
Also, I think he is a great judge, but human too. He had to judge around 170 dogs and I am sure mistakes could be pointed out.
"The short video of the 100 points dog was also commented on: Two mistakes, small but still there - dog looked around for the handler when he approached, only fleetingly but he did. Also sloppy side transport. That alone should have never been a 100 routine. There is also a photo on the German forum of the grip of said dog which is quite shallow." -- The short video is only what I found on youtube by accident. I have seen the whole routine from start to finish and I had a disscussion about it with my fellow club members. There was maybe 10 of us, 4 or 5 have been on FCI and WUSV teams more than once.
In (again) my opinion, it wasn't a 100 points performance, I said. The dog was good and it was a good show, but it wasn't a 100. Maybe a strong 96 or even 97, pushing onto weak 98, but not a 100, I said to them.
No, it was a 100, a few of them said.
No, it wasn't. I think, blah, blah, blah, basically I said everything you just mentioned and more.
Their answer was, when they ask you to judge that trial, then you can give any dog whatever you want. The judge said it was a 100, so it's a friggin' 100 and it's official. My or his or hers, or anybody's opinion don't mean shit, but the judge's opinion. He owns the field that day and what he says is official ansd the law. So, again, in my opinion, as a jackass behind the keyboard, it wasn't a 100, Lance Collins said it was. --- It's a 100, discussion over.
"I did not attend the WUSV nor did I watch it on SV Media, so I just go by what I have been reading for the past couple of days now - comments by dozens of people. According to them, th
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