Why Do People Breed GSD's W No Titles And KkLs???? - Page 4

Agree with others: because you can and you dont need that to have the litter registered with AKC. Gosh, you dont even have to prove that the Sire is truly the daddy of the litter. Everything is submitted in good faith untill someone is stupid enough to do a DNA test down the line.

For me I am jumping through loops and hoops to get my current female breed surveyed. Even if my girl is the only dark sable working line, and east german, and was in full heat to get a show rating, and you have to deal with the arroganz and remarks of some well known showline people...... But thats the way it should be done, no if's and but's about it. Sometimes you just have to swallow your pride and keep your goals in mind! If you think your dog is correct in structure and looks pretty, as well as has the temperament and working ability, then there should be no excuse to have that confirmed by a judge. Also, for a sound well trained police dog it should be an ease to at least receive a SCH1!

Elkoorr,
 
                    If you think your dog is correct in structure and looks pretty, as well as has the temperament and working ability, then there should be no excuse to have that confirmed by a judge

Just takes a little effort.    



Both Wilfred Scheld and Helmut Konig appreciate a good working dog.  

for the $. Point blank and period.

Rik

Don't forget herding as a breedworthiness test. Our dogs were sheep herders first, which surprises a lot of people here in the US.  They think about border collies and Aussies as herders, not GSDs. The herding instinct has been bred out of a lot of our dogs, both German and American, purely from lack of use I believe.

The reason our dogs protect is they were bred to protect both sheep and the shepherd from predators, both two and four legged. They are supposed to be built to trot all day, like living fences, so they need some angulation but not too much and they need good pasterns and joints. They are supposed have the intelligence and judgment to be gentle with lambs and tough with recalcitrant adult sheep. They jump ditches and fallen logs. They can track down a sheep that strayed and bring it back. They herd in all weathers, thus the double coat but not too long.

Schutzhund is one kind of sport that can test a dog's character, but it isn't the only one.

  I put more value into a dog who is capable of SAR work or herding more than I do a dog with schutzhund titles.  it has become a sport, I have seen ill tempered, neurotic dogs with sch3's and kkl.  dogs with sch titles who couldn't even perform a simple BH routine.  dogs with titles who can't do anything but live in a kennel and taken out once or twice a week for sch. training.  schutzhund isn't what it was 10 years ago,  or even 20 years ago.  too many titles are bought, not earned.  I am not saying that all dogs with sch. titles didn't earn them,  but quite a few out there didn't.  and lots of times,  is it the dogs ability,  or the trainer?

I won't make any excuses for why I breed untitled females.  I live in a bastardly hot state, the nearest club is 2 hours away from me (when I did train with a club,  its would be 9 am and already almost 100 degrees, even at midnight it is in the 90's here during the summer), I have witnessed helper work and training at some clubs that I don't agree with,  and to be truthful, I don't want to expose my dogs to that.  I don't want my dogs exposed to diseases at shows or trials either.  I know a breeder who took a few pups to a regional and they came back with parvo.  Anyone remember the huge brucellosis scare years ago?  why would I want to expose my dogs to this? 

just because I do not title does not mean I can't choose dogs with proper temperment and drives. 

Why don't USA and WDA recognize our state/national certified working K-9s as valid for a breed survey in lieu of a SCHH1?
I have yet to see anything in a sch trial that will test your nerves like doing a narc search on the HWY when an 18 wheeler goes by that fails to move into the next lane.  Yet the dog is still working and expected to work.   The only reason Barbie is not breed surveyed is that her state patrol/narcotics certifications are not recognized by USA or WDA as being valid title equivalents.  Yet these two organizations say they promote the breed as real working dogs.

Sorry for the double post, I have a "sticky" mouse

Why don't USA and WDA recognize our state/national certified working K-9s as valid for a breed survey in lieu of a SCHH1?
I have yet to see anything in a sch trial that will test your nerves like doing a narc search on the HWY when an 18 wheeler goes by that fails to move into the next lane.  Yet the dog is still working and expected to work.   The only reason Barbie is not breed surveyed is that her state patrol/narcotics certifications are not recognized by USA or WDA as being valid title equivalents.  Yet these two organizations say they promote the breed as real working dogs.

There are thriving clubs, and people training/titling dogs, in such ungodly hot places as Arizona, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana. There are thriving clubs, and people training/titling in such ungodly cold places as Alaska, Minnesota, Montana and Wisconsin. ¶You don't have to take dogs to trials, shows or seminars to potentially expose them to diseases. Anyone coming to your home could be carrying half the viruses and bacteria in the known world. My dogs are vaccinated against "the usual suspects" and I expect their immune systems to be strong enough to withstand casual exposure to lesser gremlins. Similarly, I must venture out into the world myself, armed with only my childhood polio and smallpox vaccinations, my annual flu shot and a couple of tetanus shots over a lifetime. I expect my immune system to be strong enough to handle the occasional errant bug, too. :-) I can't live in a bubble, and neither can my dogs. I take our lives in my hands everytime we leave the driveway. LOL

Uber Land wrote:  I won't make any excuses for why I breed untitled females. I live in a bastardly hot state, the nearest club is 2 hours away from me (when I did train with a club, its would be 9 am and already almost 100 degrees, even at midnight it is in the 90's here during the summer), I have witnessed helper work and training at some clubs that I don't agree with, and to be truthful, I don't want to expose my dogs to that. I don't want my dogs exposed to diseases at shows or trials either. I know a breeder who took a few pups to a regional and they came back with parvo. Anyone remember the huge brucellosis scare years ago? why would I want to expose my dogs to this?

just because I do not title does not mean I can't choose dogs with proper temperment and drives.

sounds like excuses for breeding with no titles to me!!!  LOL

I suppose there is noone working and titling dogs in the summer months, in any of the southern hot states - or in the winter in any of the northern cold ones?  Noone that drives 2 hours or more to get to training/trainer?   Not good enough excuses in my book.  But, free country - to each their own.  IMO if you are going to breed untitled dogs, then just do it.  No more excuses as to why no titles first.  Deciding on proper temperament and drives for your own dogs for breeding does not come anywhere close to testing them for temperament, drive and nerve in a working venue on a strange field, helper and impartial judge.

molly

as I said, I have no excuse. There is a great club 2 hours east of me, with very well known helpers and breeders.  Am I able to go twice a week 4 hours driving and at least 3 hours training? no I am not.  Its as plain as that. 

Does that mean my dogs aren't breed worthy and do not have proper drives and sound temperaments?  No it doesn't. All it means, to put it bluntly, is they have a broke ass owner who doesn't trust her vehichle to drive 4 hours thru downtown Dallas traffic twice a week for training that other people say is "mandatory" for breeding. I have sold dogs simply because I thought  them being owned by me was an injustice to them cause I couldn't get them titled.  I was listening to too many people and in my mind the dogs suffered cause they weren't doing schutzhund.  Stupid, huh?