Why Do People Breed GSD's W No Titles And KkLs???? - Page 2

In the U.S. it is simply because people can and it is easier to just not put the work/money in to do it.

For me, I like to see the titles and as Molly said at least the minimum.  Now, that being said, the titles are also not the be all/end all either!   The Koerung is an added bonus!

 

And as Chris said, unless the buyer is informed.....

Kathy

 

 

I agree with Molly.  I have to say though that many titled dogs did not earn a title.  I have seen many times where a dog was importet with high scores and did not even know how to sit.

As usual, I agree wholeheartedly with Molly.

Personally, I would love it if the SV allowed certified working K9s to be eligible for a KKL, or PSA dogs, etc. Broaden the system (and the gene pool!), as it were.

I have always thought it would be a great idea for a young dog to be allowed a provisional year for breeding prior to the SchH!, with requirements, of course, such as a BH, AD, hips/elbows, conformation rating, a revised "courage test" type routine to display drives, and still be subjected to KKL inspections (measurements, dentition, etc.).  In some parts of the US, SchH clubs are few and far between and it may take someone until their dog is three or four to get titled. A lot of work only to be disappointed that your bitch has trouble breeding or whelping, or your male doesn't really produce himself. And according to many breeders, the longer you wait, the more chancy breeding becomes.  It would be helpful for breeders to able to try out a young dog, and still stay within the parameters of some kind of system standard, before making the decision to go "all the way" as it were.

For me, a Koerung is NOT an added bonus. If you can title your dog, there is no reason whatsoever why your dog cannot get a koerung unless it has poor structure or some form of unacceptable fault, in which case it doesn't belong the gene pool anyway.

That said: I'm so tired of hearing all the boo-hooing about how titles take too much time and money. A SchH1 is not that hard for a dog is naturally a good worker, as a GSD should be. If you don't have time and resources to test your breeding stock's physical and mental ability, you don't have the time or resources to be a working dog breeder. Hell, do a damn TD, a CD, go to a SAR club, SOMETHING! There is no excuse for a breeding GSD to not have some form of working/performance title or certification.

I can she using a dog that is not titled or shown if it has a documented history of being something like a service (military, police) or therapy/assistance dog that would show that it has gone through some type of training as proof of its temperament/working ability. If this dog is going to be used as breeding stock. I would like to see the hips/elbows rated (good or excellent) by some org.

It would mean more to me - personally speaking - to get a puppy or older dog from a male/female that are actual active working dogs in the real world as they are often put in situations that a (protected) show dog would not be. It puts stresses and challenges on the animal (environmental, social, family, work) that support a true versatility. If such a dog is ALSO shown, that's great, too.

To me the German shepherd was meant to be a dog that can do a job - whether it's helping someone with a disability, being a working military dog, herding sheep, etc. And the dog also needs to have the structure to go with the temperament. Chances are, a dog that can rate highly in both areas is the TOTAL PACKAGE.

This is NOT a slam against people who show/compete. I'm just saying that there are many ways to measure a dogs fitness for improving the breed.

For me, a Koerung is NOT an added bonus. If you can title your dog, there is no reason whatsoever why your dog cannot get a koerung unless it has poor structure or some form of unacceptable fault, in which case it doesn't belong the gene pool anyway.


True.....but I guess since it seems that folks that go out there and Koer their dogs are the "minority" it might just seems like a bonus. 

I'm tired too of hearing about how the dog could title very easily, and folks just don't have the time to do it.  Or there aren't enough trials around.  Make the time and don't be in such a hurry to breed it.  My dogs are titled in HGH, there is but one opportunity per year to do that and this past October I traveled 6 hours to do it again.  My female was Koered with the HGH title and my male was HGH SchH1 for his initial, HGH ScH3 for his resurvey.  I'm already looking and preparing to see where I can resurvey my female next year.  I'm not a breeder, but would like to have a litter with my female next year.  I knew that she was perfectly capable of doing it, so we did it. 

Kathy

I agree with Molly and Chris. Anyone, including every BYB, can come up with an excuse why they cannot title a dog. When we have individuals like Jason Lake titling, and ALWAYS travelling HUNDREDS OF MILES to do so, in a wheelchair, the excuses fall on totally deaf ears. To answer your question, the reason is because such breeders don't want to spend the time and money it takes it train,title and survey a dog. Why bother, when you can AKC-register the litter of anything with 4 feet and 2 ears?

Mystere, we must have been posting at the same time.....

Mystere, I don't even think the AKC is THAT picky!

I just wish more people knew about Jason. It would really cut down on the picayune excuses. Training and trialing is physically difficult for a lot of us. When I feel like whining about the effort it takes to haul my fat ass up and down the field, with a bum ankle and asthma, I remember Jason and STFU. I will get on the field, in the heat and train until I am sucking air, grateful that I CAN stagger off on two legs, pet and praise my dogs with both hands, put my dog back in his/her crate without assistance, then sit in a chair and watch the watch the next poor fool pant and sweat. :-)

Very true about Jason Mystere!  If you ever want inspiration, watch him!  Heck I was out there 8 months pregnant doing my thing, albeit with some limitations!  Though that was pushing it and I did have to pack it in at that point.  LOL     And was back out 4 weeks after my C section! 

Where there's a will there's a way! 

Kathy