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by jletcher18 on 29 May 2009 - 00:05
Mstere wrote. Without a standard, it would just be a mutt.
best thing i have heard for a while.
john
best thing i have heard for a while.
john
by Get A Real Dog on 29 May 2009 - 02:05
Just throwing it out to stir the pot a little....
Does anyone think that the precious GSD "standard" and the fact that working line Mal and DS breeders do not adhear to a physical "standard" plays a role in Mals and Dutchies kicking GSD behind in every aspect of the working dog world?
Sorry had to do it
Does anyone think that the precious GSD "standard" and the fact that working line Mal and DS breeders do not adhear to a physical "standard" plays a role in Mals and Dutchies kicking GSD behind in every aspect of the working dog world?
Sorry had to do it
by jletcher18 on 29 May 2009 - 02:05
nope. there are more factors than working ability.
i have noticed that mals and dutchies remind me of gsd's strung out on meth or coke. LOL. sorry had to do that too.
john
i have noticed that mals and dutchies remind me of gsd's strung out on meth or coke. LOL. sorry had to do that too.
john
by steve1 on 29 May 2009 - 05:05
Get a real dog
You mean to say that over in the USA the Mals and Dutchies out perform the GSD Dogs on the SchH field and this is a question for that is how i read your post, for if that is the case then you people truly have done a good job in ruining the German Shepherd Dog, and you have certainly nothing to be proud off, for it was not done to better the breed but your own pockets for you evidently did not have a clue
Steve
You mean to say that over in the USA the Mals and Dutchies out perform the GSD Dogs on the SchH field and this is a question for that is how i read your post, for if that is the case then you people truly have done a good job in ruining the German Shepherd Dog, and you have certainly nothing to be proud off, for it was not done to better the breed but your own pockets for you evidently did not have a clue
Steve
by 4pack on 29 May 2009 - 06:05
Oh come on Steve, don't tell me the Mals and Dutchies aren't kicking asses an taking names over there too!
by Get A Real Dog on 29 May 2009 - 06:05
Yes Steve, I will say it is pretty much a proven fact that Mals and Dutchies beat GSD's in any given major event world wide and as far as police and military service, there is no point in even arguing.
Yes every once in awhile you will see a GSD winning a major event against Mals, usually at a lower level, but it just does not happen very often. When you go to major national or world level events in which all breeds compete, sorry but the mals win. Just the way it is.
I just took a gander at the AWMA scoreboards. Huge event with all different breeds represented. IPO 3 top three finishers--Mals. Interestingly enough I think American Bulldogs won both level 1 and 2, and either a Pit Bull or American Bulldog took Decoy choice awards. So now GSD's are falling behind bull breeds!
I just took a quick glance so might not be 100 % accurate info but I think it is correct.
In national and world events were GSD's go head to head with Mals and Dutchies, they fall short over 90% of the time.
On this note, I think some respect is due to the GSD people who went out there and showed their stuff against the other breeds. I saw a video of Nate Harves dog's long bite. Very impressive. His scores were not the best, but damn what a nice dog! The problem is not many GSD's perform like that.
So good for people like Nate who have the stones to go out on the field in these types of events. If more GSD people would do that, maybe they could change my mind. However, there are not enough GSD's out there (and/or handlers willing to do it) to actually step out on a field and look as good as a Mal or Dutchie.
Why is that? I guess you GSD breeders and the almight SV and the "standard" have to figure it out.
My hats off to Nate Harves and Stukka for a bad ass long bite that shows what a real GSD can do.
Yes every once in awhile you will see a GSD winning a major event against Mals, usually at a lower level, but it just does not happen very often. When you go to major national or world level events in which all breeds compete, sorry but the mals win. Just the way it is.
I just took a gander at the AWMA scoreboards. Huge event with all different breeds represented. IPO 3 top three finishers--Mals. Interestingly enough I think American Bulldogs won both level 1 and 2, and either a Pit Bull or American Bulldog took Decoy choice awards. So now GSD's are falling behind bull breeds!
I just took a quick glance so might not be 100 % accurate info but I think it is correct.
In national and world events were GSD's go head to head with Mals and Dutchies, they fall short over 90% of the time.
On this note, I think some respect is due to the GSD people who went out there and showed their stuff against the other breeds. I saw a video of Nate Harves dog's long bite. Very impressive. His scores were not the best, but damn what a nice dog! The problem is not many GSD's perform like that.
So good for people like Nate who have the stones to go out on the field in these types of events. If more GSD people would do that, maybe they could change my mind. However, there are not enough GSD's out there (and/or handlers willing to do it) to actually step out on a field and look as good as a Mal or Dutchie.
Why is that? I guess you GSD breeders and the almight SV and the "standard" have to figure it out.
My hats off to Nate Harves and Stukka for a bad ass long bite that shows what a real GSD can do.
by steve1 on 29 May 2009 - 08:05
4 Pack & Get a Real Dog
Then yes, you people over there have not done the German Shepherd Dog many favours i would say,
4 Pack 75% of Police Dogs working the streets over here are G.S Ds
In the world of ScHh the ratio is 90% German Shepherd Dogs to 10% Mals etc
as i have said i have in the last two years watched around 20 plus competitions and only in one did a Mal win, saying that the Mals are in the minority when it comes to the sport itsself, and this Dog put up a very good show and it was handled by a girl, which was great, not that the Ladies are not on an equal footing when it comes to performances and handling the dogs, they are as good as the Guys with one or two exceptions, but then there are more Guys in the sport over here
Steve
Then yes, you people over there have not done the German Shepherd Dog many favours i would say,
4 Pack 75% of Police Dogs working the streets over here are G.S Ds
In the world of ScHh the ratio is 90% German Shepherd Dogs to 10% Mals etc
as i have said i have in the last two years watched around 20 plus competitions and only in one did a Mal win, saying that the Mals are in the minority when it comes to the sport itsself, and this Dog put up a very good show and it was handled by a girl, which was great, not that the Ladies are not on an equal footing when it comes to performances and handling the dogs, they are as good as the Guys with one or two exceptions, but then there are more Guys in the sport over here
Steve
by Mystere on 29 May 2009 - 12:05
Steve,
If you look at clubs here, women often (usually) are in the majority,, in terms of membership. When you look at competitors at regional and national levels, the majority are male. Why? That's one of those cosmic questions.
The event GARD was referring to is NOT AWMA-that is the Mal breed organization, American Working Malinoiis Association. The event he refeenced is the AWDF-American Working Dog Federation. The event is the big mutli-breed schutzhund event.
I must admit it. I was at the AWMA Nationals last September (my club hosted it). The quality of the dogs, handling and overall performances was far and away above what I saw at the WUSV the following month. It is painful to admit it, but it is true.
If you look at clubs here, women often (usually) are in the majority,, in terms of membership. When you look at competitors at regional and national levels, the majority are male. Why? That's one of those cosmic questions.
The event GARD was referring to is NOT AWMA-that is the Mal breed organization, American Working Malinoiis Association. The event he refeenced is the AWDF-American Working Dog Federation. The event is the big mutli-breed schutzhund event.
I must admit it. I was at the AWMA Nationals last September (my club hosted it). The quality of the dogs, handling and overall performances was far and away above what I saw at the WUSV the following month. It is painful to admit it, but it is true.
by sueincc on 29 May 2009 - 14:05
The FCI IPO World Championships have also been won and dominated by Malinois for years.
by steve1 on 29 May 2009 - 16:05
Mystere
Then in that case the forth coming WUSV championships in Germany. are going to be somewhat over rated,
What we need then is a good ratio of both breeds to compete together to see who is who, and that you do not see over here any time
Steve
Then in that case the forth coming WUSV championships in Germany. are going to be somewhat over rated,
What we need then is a good ratio of both breeds to compete together to see who is who, and that you do not see over here any time
Steve
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