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Princess

by Princess on 23 April 2009 - 16:04

Ha! that was a good one, Ill have to ask my girl if she really wants me for lunch.


justcurious

by justcurious on 23 April 2009 - 16:04

I do have a question though. My new puppy is being weaned on kibble and I want to switch her to raw when I get her. What is the best way of doing that for an 8 week old puppy? Also what amount and how many times do you feed an 8 week old puppy raw? tiffae89

i think with young pups the most important thing to teach them is how to chew and to trust you. so i would start with giving her a whole chicken leg and allow her to eat it away from the other dogs so there is no threat.  this way she can learn to eat in a relaxed manner.  i would recommend that you feed her in a quiet place and that you sit right next to her, pet her or just rest your hand on her while you talk to her so she'll learn that you are not a threat to her food. 

once she's very comfortable with you sitting next to her and she's happily chewing then i would walk around her, step over her, etc. to get her comfortable/teach her that you movement around her is not a threat to her food. feed her 3x/ day and feed her whatever she'll eat, feeding cuts too large for her to finish is just fine just pick them up when she's stops eating.  this is an intense learning time.

after she's confident there's plenty of food and you are not a threat to her i would start picking her food up while she's still eating, prehaps toss her a bit of goat cheese (because it's got a nice strong smell:) praise her, pat her and return her food to her.  once this relationship is solid and she's an expert chewer than i would begin to make sure she is not getting too much food but give her a chance to regulate her own food intake first - for most dogs (when given the opportunity) this "skill" will develop naturally if allowed.  but if after a week or so it seems she can't then you'll have to intervene and regulate the quantity.  but for the first few days to a week imo it's more important that she learn how to chew and be comfortable with you & learn to trust you than being strict on the quantity.

regarding quantity: the basic rule of thumb is 10% of the pup's weight until that number equals 2-3% of adult weight (this % for adult dogs is dependent on the individual metabolism rate & activity level). so at 8 wks generally it's about 1 to 1 1/2 lb. divided between 3 meals, so approx 1/3 - 1/2 lb. per meal, just be sure to give her pieces large enough to require chewing and tearing so she can learn to not gulp or inhale her food.

one other thing we switched our pup from 3 meals to 2 at about 12 weeks, which i believe is rather young for kibble fed pups, but we've found that with raw, when it's not ground up, takes more time to eat and the pups seems to stay satisfied longer - anyway it works great for our pup.

hth,
susan



by jdh on 23 April 2009 - 16:04

That is as silly as thinking that I will be uncontrollably compelled to chase cows or sheep.  

My dogs have eaten MANY whole chickens, and while they are extremely curious, they have never taken the necessary steps despite a well developed prey drive to kill and eat the birds that I have kept in a vacant kennel run just 15 feet from their own accomodations.

If I gave them an opportunity, they would certainly come to enjoy hunting, killing, and eating chickens (or other small animals), and become a nuisance.

I suppose this mythology is linked to the general impression of an animal tearing into fresh bloody meat as a vicious and primal killer, but is nothing short of foolish.

I suppose since I have rather a developed taste for both steak tartare and raw shellfish, I am a menace to both land and sea creatures, and likely to chase down your goldfish if left unsupervised.

 


by tiffae89 on 25 April 2009 - 01:04

justcurious: It does help. Another question though. With Atlas and Isabelle I went to Raw slowly. Started by adding meat to their kibble and eventually am going all the way. Do I do the same with the puppy since she is being weined to Kibble? I didn't start Atlas and Isabelle on raw till they were 6 (Atlas) and 8 (Isabelle) months old. Just didn't know if there would be any consequence to me just switching to Raw right when I get her. Thanks, Tiff

Marisa

by Marisa on 25 April 2009 - 02:04

tiffae89: Do you think if you provided the raw--maybe a few chubs of Primal for convenience--the breeder would be willing to wean your pup onto that instead, since she'll be eating raw once you have her? My breeder feeds her dogs raw and when I got my puppy he was on half raw/half kibble so he would be able to go either way.

justcurious

by justcurious on 25 April 2009 - 02:04

not sure there is one right way.  personally i never have "weaned" i've just switched them "cold turkey" and never had a problem but i've heard others do do it gradually. 

JRANSOM

by JRANSOM on 25 April 2009 - 02:04

I haven't read everything from the first to the last but are any of you afraid of CWD from venison?
That is a big concern of mine.  If I look at a canned food (venison)  I'd like to see on the packaging CWD FREE.
So, when you feed your dog venison where do you get it from?  Portions of something you've harvested yourself or what?
I know there are certain areas that are more prone to CWD but you can never be too careful.
Jen

by jdh on 25 April 2009 - 02:04

It is a pretty easy transition, and your pup can certainly handle chicken wings and drumsticks from the beginning.
The big issues with transition are for a dog that has been eating several cups of cereal based kibble per day switching to PURE food which is far richer, and lacks the constipating effects of all that starch. I have switched adult dogs abruptly from kibble to meat without incident, though I would go easy with pups since their health can deteriorate rapidly with any upset.
You can, however, cut his kibble in half the first day, and replace it with about half as much meat. I prefer whole meats with bones as they will do their chewing and eat more slowly. As I said, wings are perfect puppy food. They are easy to chew, but have plenty of bone, skin, and connective tissue, all very healthy. Good luck, Jonah 


justcurious

by justcurious on 25 April 2009 - 03:04

i agree wings are great especially if you cut your own and leave some breast meat on the wing - store cut wings are a bit too bone for my taste but great nonetheless.

by tiffae89 on 25 April 2009 - 03:04

You guys are saints thank you for all the great advice! :) Marisa: Your suggestion is ideal. However, unfortuantely I'm 14 hours away from where the puppy is, they are located in Texas and I in Georgia. So it might just be easier to make the transition myself. If I was closer I would definitely do that. Thank you. :) justcurious and jdh: Thank you guys for all of the advice. I greatly appreciate it. :) Tiff





 


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