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by birdwing on 22 January 2009 - 11:01

I know a lot of people have posted about stud fees, what is reasonable, etc. I have been reading ads for stud fees that I personally think are crazy. $750 for a son of a VA dog in the US, dog is not titled. $1000 for a SchH 1 dog. I'm not paying that, which is totally my choice I understand....

Here is my question. I have 3 bitches. I also have 2 titled males.

I will be considering using outside males for my girls. Here is what I have:

Female 1. Czech/DDR lines. 4 years old, dark grey, dark eyes. Proven mother, OFA Good hips. Carries solid black.

Female 2: Mix of all sorts of import lines, Dam is DDR, sire is Czech, Hungarian , DDR and West German Showline. She is a bicolor with her points being very red. She is smaller. Hips pending.

Female 3: All West German Showlines, German Import. Black/Red. Has broken ear, injury I'm told. Hips pending.

For Female 1, would like Black Male or DARK Bicolor. titled, normal hips/elbows. Clear for long coats. Dark eyes.

For Female 2, would like dark male, sable OK but not pure for sable, normal hips/elbows, clear for long coats (her grandmother on sire side was 'fuzzy'). Dark red points, size/bone necessary.

For Female 3, would like all West German Showlines, V/VA rated, high titles/good scores, natural aggression/good fight, strong history of GOOD EARS, ideally clear for long coats.

Shipped semen or close enough drive to Louisville, Kentucky. What's available for a reasonable price? I do understand that the higher quality and TITLES = a greater fee, but I'm not willing to pay an arm and a leg, so $750 and above fees don't respond. :o)


by DKiah on 22 January 2009 - 12:01

Is color and stud fee your only concern?? Interesting

by seriously on 22 January 2009 - 12:01

A byb with 3 untitled females and pending hips complaining what others are doing?

by mkennels on 22 January 2009 - 13:01

What I have heard (and been told before) is the stud fee is what the breeder would sell the pups for, so if you got a titled sire and you sold the pups for a $1000 then it wouldn't be any different if you let them have pick of litter or $1000 to some stud owners they don't want stud out for $500 and you make $500 profit off one pup but what I have gathered, the working lines have high stud fee's and I can see it for they put alot of time and since you want a titled dog, one with good hips and elbows and you want them to be dna tested clear of the coat all that cost money 

not to be mean but if you can't do those things yourself don't expect others in a stud to do it and not charge they are only wanting price of pup for stud fee


by birdwing on 22 January 2009 - 14:01

No, color is not my ONLY concern, however since this is a service that I am going to PAY for, I'm not willing to settle and I want EXACTLY what I want.  I don't want a dominant sable dog  because I don't want all sables.  I don't want long coats.  If you were buying a car, you wouldn't get a yellow one if you really wanted a black one JUST BECAUSE the yellow one was right on the lot and you might have to LOOK for the black one, same for stud dogs in my opinion.  Taking only what  you can get is fine if that is what you want to do and if that's the best you can do...I'm not willing to settle and there is nothing wrong with getting everything you want. 

As for being a back yard breeder, I'll take that name over being called a professional breeder like so many are proud of on this board.  My dogs are in my yard, actually the SIDE YARD most offen, not the back yard.  I also have not had a German Shepherd litter until now since 2003....that REALLY makes me a BYB!  :o)

So, again, I'm looking for titled males, tested and the colors that I listed above, for my consideration to breed to the 3 bitches above.  If you don't want your dog to be considered, don't respond to me.  That's easy enough.



by birdwing on 22 January 2009 - 14:01

"not to be mean but if you can't do those things yourself don't expect others in a stud to do it and not charge they are only wanting price of pup for stud fee"--mkennels

If you are referencing my boys and their tests, they both have certified normal hips/elbows, working titles and one carries coat by producing coats, no need to DNA for coat when he's produced it.  The other boy hasn't been tested for coat and I don't know that I will. 

I would also not pay for a stud dogs health tests, that is the owners responsibility, not the "customer" and since it is important to me to find a dog clear of coats, I would expect that people that have long coat FREE dogs would respond, and those that DON'T have long coat free dogs would NOT respond.  


by snajper69 on 22 January 2009 - 14:01

You side yard breeder lol hahaha. Good for you, you should always know what you want and never settle for less.

by Larry Filo on 22 January 2009 - 14:01

 A breeder who is serious about the breed is going to want much more information about your females before considering letting their male out to them.  First, at this time you only have one female with hips certified but you give no information about temperament, workability, structure or general health.  The broken ear, how do you know it is from an injury? Can you see that it was injured?  Is there any documentation that it is from an injury?  These are all questions a stud owner should be concerned about.  The reason for this is simple, if we use our male on your female and the structure, hips, ears, temperament or wok ability are not there, it is going to reflect poorly on our male. 
I have three males here, all working lines, yet all three are rated V in structure, are KKL-1, SchH 3 and are proven males.  Two do not produce coated dogs and one can.  You should also be looking for males that are compatable with your bloodlines or you never know what you will get out of them.  My three males are here primarily for my five females because I want certain traits passed on in their progeny.  It would be cheaper to only have one male for the females but then I am not going to get what I want , in order to further the breed.  It is why many people charge more for stud service. They have alot of money tied up in their males and want serious people to breed to them.  I have been breeding for thirty years and we work our dogs in sport as well as train many in police work, we show our dogs to get their structure certified, we koer our dogs and title our dogs for breeding purposes.  We all need to start somewhere, but we also need to gather as much information as we can in order to further the breed and figure out what our goals are.  Not to just breed for the sake of breeding. Stud services to good males are going to run anywhere from $500 and up, with most being in the $750 to $1500 ranges.  I charge $600 for our males but only to females that I think will add to the breed overall and that will produce the structure, trainability, temperament and health that is needed to improve the breed.  I know this isn't what you really were asking, but felt it needed to be said.  I am not trying to put you down, just to inform you a little. 
Steinig Tal Kennel


by Kreiger on 22 January 2009 - 14:01

Have you tested your females to see if they carry the long coat gene??Long coats does not just come from the male,it takes two to produce it!!
How is the working ability of your females?
Are they titled?
What are you trying to improve in the breed with these breedings??
What's wrong with the two titled males you have since price is a big issue?
Not trying to make confusion,simply asking questions for the benefit of my understanding..

by DKiah on 22 January 2009 - 16:01

First of all, there is a whole lot of difference between manufacturing a car ( hunk of metal with mechanical specifications and design) and breeding living creatures..
In any breeding, there should be criteria and traits and characteristics that we all look for above all and some not so much... however, I don't know of a dog that ever died from being sable or from having more coat (and the SV is looking at allowing longer stock hair)... and there are plenty of people in the world who love long coats and will be wonderful homes.
You haven't mentioned one word about what your bitches bring to the table  .... and truly how would you know unless you did some sort of active work or sport with them? Your stud dog requirements are also based entirely in color.. what about temperament, working ability, health??
Strong females are the very foundation of a breed, this one especially and they are absolutely essential to its success.. 
That was my point and incidentally, I am not a commercial breeder .. I have a business partner and we co-own a couple of nice females... and all of our litters are raised right here at my house.. all dogs live with my family or my business partners family.....
For some of us this has been a lifelong commitment and many years have been devoted to breeding the best dogs we can.... we don't take it lightly, it is a very big responsibility

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