BBC Dropping Crufts?; tv documentary tonight - Page 14

After the programme aired the other night I emailed the BBC to put forward my thoughts on the programme and the fact that it did not show balance and certainly didnt highlight the work being done outside of the KC by so many breeders.  I went on to suggest that the BBC should do a programme highlighting the work being done by so many breeders outside of the KC to improve the different breeds.

Subsequent to that, today I have received the following email:

I understand that although you thought the programme was hard-hitting, it didn't highlight the fact that there are breeders out there who want enforced screening brought in.  I also note you want us to produce a programme showing what many breeders are doing outside of the Kennel Club to improve dogs.

To submit this idea for a programme to us, please consult the detailed information at:

www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning

So anyone who has an idea for how a programme could be done that could redress some of the damage caused by such biased programmes, please send it it.

Few comments

1. I think the have a better deterrent effect, maybe because of their size, their reputation.

Depends on region and history of "accidents" with policedogs. It takes one succesfull bite one one criminal to establish a reputation of mean animal

2 . They have a stronger bite I decoy for both and although i prefer to be bitten by a Malinois. A Malinois has more pressure than a GSD. The GSD's that have bitten on me tend to have a less than full bite which means that while biting on a bitesuit they tend to just get your skin between thier front teeth. That hurts like hell far mor than a full bite on a suit and more power when bringing down a fleeing offender Depends on the animal and the force to bring down a fleeing person is the result of mass times speed. mals tend to be faster than GSD's and a little note about size. If you look at both standards you'll notice that the Mal is bigger tan the GSD .

3. I find the GSD a more biddable and trainable.I don't but that's down to experience Their do not over the top drives and I find them more receptive to training by novice/weaker handlersTrue. Not to mention it is an easier animal to live with outside work.depends on the animal. I've 3 working mals at home. One easy going, one is a tank at 11 months 38 kg high drive superfast, painresistant crazy dog and a 14 week old who's only destiny in life is tearing my trousers to shreds And the big bos who is a 3.4 kg papillion  Which i use to learn the young dogs some manners

Greetings

Johan

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well all i can say is WOOHOOO  for the malinois!!!  why is it GSD breeders feel so intimidated by this breed

johan i have to agree fully with you also and yes i own a mali but i also own GSD's and well i have to say the GSD isnt high on my list as my next working dog by WORKING i mean working not obedience which is a fun sport. the next working dog i get will be another working malinois or another working shepherd (but lines will have to be researched a lot longer) i rescued a GSD who at 3yrs old had to be put to sleep due to cancer!!! she also had sooooooooo many health issues its unreal but then thats wat you get from breeding from untested stock eh!

i also think theres breeders out there doing their best to health check ect but these BYB are selling pups much cheaper and need stoping i will never buy from showlines but i also belive not everyone wants a raving loony living with them unlike us working dog ppl so we will always disagree but something needs to be done, but lets not slagg the malinois off jelousy is an ugly thing this is an amazing breed and its breeders here in the UK dont sell them on to idiots and have the health checks done ect  and IMO no not all dogs can work as work is done by a driven dog and most show dogs have been dummed down and that bred out of them god just look at the lab on that one lol i have a working bred lab 10yr old and still goes out and works how many show ones are still alive at 10 yrs old!!!

Well I have what would be dubbed a show dog who is currently 12.5 years old, I have recently learnt his sister is going strong.  His breeder had a stud dog go to 13.5 and she has just been contacted by another owner who has just lost one of her dogs at the great age of 14.5years.

So the show lines can be long lived and my oldie doesnt just sit on the sofa all day, he still enjoy's his walks and swims on warm days, he can even remember all his commands and hand signals - even at a distance.

Beepy super for you and your dogs.

What i find interesting is that i can find breeds that have been altered by show people to a degree that these dogs are but a shadow of what they're supposed to be. GSD being, in my point of vue, one of them. The same people are talking about conformation, body structure angles of bones etc. And at the same time dogs, that may be wonderfull compagnons and pets, whos bodies are a nightmare and who are knowingly carriers of "defects" become champion. People who become interested in dogs go to these places to be informed. What message do they get?

Only for those reasons alone shows should be aboliged.

Greetings

Johan

not everyone wants a raving loony living with them unlike us working dog ppl

I don't know that anyone wants a raving loony living with them?

I would consider that I had working dogs (if you call schutzhund/working trials "work", I consider it merely sport after all our dogs are hardly in the same league as SAR, bomb dogs, etc) and neither of them are raving loonies, nor are the successful Malis in Schutzhund/Working Trials!

well have to say my working search dog is a looney and shes a GSP!!! and well working a dog for real is diff to having a dog for sport isnt it doesnt make any dog less then the other IMO have some great sport dogs out there, i work my dogs and do sport second but being working dogs makes them less great as pets i wouldnt like to see some lessexperienced person trying to handle my Mainois as he isnt an easy dog and one mistake with him may be your last as thats malis sometimes for you! but then we can all interpret looney anyway we like cant we