Let's talk structure - Page 5

Daryl, I understand your frustration with the standard. Like many, many other breeds, the original job the GSD was intended to do is disappearing. The Captain at least had the foresight to see that it was going to get more and more difficult for a GSD to prove itself tending a large herd of sheep, so he was instrumental in developing Schutzhund as an alternative performance venue.  Many other breeds are not so lucky.The standard as we know it today still addresses the physical traits needed for a tending dog, not a protection dog.  It's no wonder this breed has had so many splits over the years. I guess all anyone can do is their best as you are doing. Over-size and  under-size just happens.

Daryl I wasn't implying your dogs are oversized as per the standard. How would I know, I haven't measured them? I meant big boned and well filled out dogs. Some dogs tend to be thinner in the waist, less muscled and lighter boned, like a Mal or Dutch. In my experience, my lighter boned dogs have been the faster dogs. That's not always the case, (which is good). I love the look of the thicker boned dogs, big heads, loads of muscle but not at the expense of speed and agility. That's why I would jump at the chance to grab a  pup or breed to a thick dog that moves like Zender, hoping that size and speed would be passed on. I have seen videos of your bitch, she is fast and hits like a damn train. Seeing a bitch perform like a male is nice! Her good size is a bonus for big dog lovers like myself. Drives come first, size is way down the list in terms of reasons to breed a dog.

Oh, I know you weren't directing that at me specifically, and also agree with you about usual "status quo".  I'd imagine a lighter dog moving fast could match the impact of a heavier dog moving slow.  And they say that the slowest dog can still catch a human but even so, fast and agilie (more like a mal) is alot more impressive to me.

KCzaja, I thought you might appreciate this oversized corgi...

Blitzen my current pups are out of KKL'd parents. I'd like to have my dogs breed surveyed one day, but if that doesn't work out, I wont cry over it.

An excellent tread kczara.

My priorities are  as follows.

A ) Type:  Correct size ( 64-65 cm.) very good proportions, good musculture and bone.

B )Virtures :     Excellent topline (high withers,strong short back, croup of good lay) ,

                  good ligamention ,with good front angulations, correct lay of upper arm,with correct depth of chest

                  and spring of ribs.

 B ) Features : Strong masculine or feminine heads with dark mask, and excellent expression.

                           Correct lay & length of upper arm .Good length and porpotion of bones.

                           Short and strong back

Hi  kczaja ,

Sorry for submitting my unfinished message , I'll try to get it right this time.

An excellent tread I just can,t wait to read all of it.

First I want to submit my 2 cents worth, and attend to my dogs .

My piorities are as follows :

A) TYPE : Correct size (64-65cm. )very good propotions,strong musculation

                  and bone.

B)Virtues: Excellent topline (high withers,strong and short back,with a croup

                   of good lay ) with good front angulation and correct lay of upper arm.

                    correct depth of chest and spring of ribs. A good underline.

C)Features: Strong masculine / feminine heads withGood expression

                        and dark mask. Correct length and lay of upper arm and

                       proportion of bones.

D)Faults :Over or under size. Poor toplines with long ,weak backs and ligaments.

                  Wrong propotions with over angulations. Short and steep croups.

                   Short and steep upper arm.Poor hind angulations.

E)Weakareas : Poor heads and expression. Yellow /light eyes

                 Weak colours.

  Please excuse my spacing and spelling as I,m submiting this before I mess

  it up again.