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Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 08 December 2007 - 20:12

The quote came from here: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/153879.html

And yeah, that really sucks about his behaviour. I obviously haven't read his book.   But in that interview he does seem to understand where the American GSD has gone wrong.

He seems to be breeding and showing a lot of Dallas progeny, judging by the Kaleef website. The breeder I got my pup from had a Dallas daughter, and Jimmy was itching to get his hands on her an title her for them.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 08 December 2007 - 20:12

Sorry, I screwed up on that link!

Here's the correct one: http://www.thedogplace.org/Handlers/Moses_Interview.htm


SchHBabe

by SchHBabe on 08 December 2007 - 20:12

Louise, thanks for sharing your thoughts.    Your post is well spoken.

Yvette


by Tondawg on 08 December 2007 - 20:12

Turned out to be quite a popular thread. Interesting responses.


by Louise M. Penery on 08 December 2007 - 22:12

Quote from the above link regarding Kismet's Sight for Sore Eyes: I’ve heard that he is already considered a top producer.  “The best ever. Ever. By far. Well, he’s the best producer for the simple fact that his strongest producing points are where our breed is the weakest right now."

I say that this statement is sheer BS. Doesn't mean much in bloodlines where so many weaknesses prevail. I look at his pedigree and see that it is replete with dogs lacking in constitutional vigor and longevity. Even Dallas died relatively young.

Did he carry nothing in his genetic package from his ancestors except positive features? Will Dallas go down in the history of the breed in the USA as the American equivalent of an "Uran"?

The dog looks about as German as I look Asian.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 08 December 2007 - 22:12

Louise, please clue me in here. What was Uran famous/infamous for? Did he pass on some very bad genes?

I, too, find it suspicious that Moses says Dallas could do all phases, including Schutzhund. I have trouble accepting that without some sort of proof. There are pictures of him herding, and he had his certificate, but none of him doing bitework.


Ryanhaus

by Ryanhaus on 08 December 2007 - 22:12

Seems like alot of people have noticed this post!!


animules

by animules on 08 December 2007 - 23:12

Quote from the above link regarding Kismet's Sight for Sore Eyes:

"...He’s been bred to a dozen bitches that wouldn’t get a number. That’s the reason I bred to him to begin with; character and good hips. I had a beautiful bitch that was the top-scoring champion at our national in the herding trial but she wouldn’t get a number on one side and we almost weren’t gonna breed her and we decided to try this dog (smiling proudly down at his dog, Jimmy reached out and stroked Dallas on the cheek) and we got six OFA champions from the breeding."

Question #1:  Why would you consider breeding dogs that could not get an OFA number?  I'm assuming he means a passing OFA score based on part of the comment.

Question #2:  What is an OFA champion?

 


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 08 December 2007 - 23:12

He means 1) the dogs passed OFA and 2) they also got their AKC championships. Two totally different things, animules.


by Louise M. Penery on 09 December 2007 - 00:12

animules: Question #1:  Why would you consider breeding dogs that could not get an OFA number? 

I guess you do it because you're James Anthony Moses and wish to serve as a worthy role model to the rest of the fancy!   What did the litter of 6 champion progeny produce?

SunsilverWhat was Uran famous/infamous for? Did he pass on some very bad genes?

More importantly, Uran did not have in his immediate pedigree an abundance of dogs that dropped dead before reaching full maturity or had reproductive issues.

However, this is not the appropriate thread of discuss the attributes/deficits of Uran as a stud. While no stud dog is perfect and must be used wisely, Uran ranks as an almost "progenitor" amongst modern stud dogs. Suffice it to say, Uran's positive contributions to the breed in Germany and the favorable mark he left on it were enormous.

 

These contributions far outweigh any claims by JAS, that as a producer, Dallas may go down as the "best ever" in the history of the breed. His claims are hyperbole, IMO.






 


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