Does anyone know Christine Weiss AKA Jana? In response to Petros ad - Page 2

Dog1, I have no experience with Christine.

However, my experience with two dogs titled by the same male trainer was not favorable. The guy is a very nice fellow and a good trainer--he just had too many dogs to train (I heard that there were 40).

The fact is the trainer could not count on deriving his livelihood from a person with a few dogs such as myself. His loyalty was to clients were repeat customers many times over and who bought dogs from the trainer and brokered them in the USA.

Yes Louise, Getting a dog titled can be a tar pit. It takes setting the situation up and a little luck.

Lookig at the circumstances involved with this thred and training in general. It seems like the male in the video has decent prey drive. It's probably his first session or two I imagine as it was supposed to be showing the "test".

The dog obviously has little or no foundation training for it's age and it's no where near on the sleeve correctly. If it's there to be titled, it's probably over a year old so much of the time to imprint at a young age has passed. The dogs at a disadvantage at this point.

There's snow on the ground in the video. Must be starting in winter. If the dog was there for 9 months that makes it Jan.

So take away a couple of months for no training in winter and no training in the heat of summer and you have maybe 5 months of time to get a BH and AD done. I know many trainers do not go for the BH until the dog is just about ready for the SchH1 to get the bitework correct and save the corrections of obedience until the dog has a little more maturity on it. It seems like this dog was about on schedule.

Add to it the owners restrictions on training options and the whole situation was challenged from the start if the owner wanted his dog titled in 9 months.

I was (key word WAS) a friend of Jana / Christine for a few years. She came and stayed with me in So Cal. I paid for my dog to be bred to VA Neptune Bad Boll. When my female arrived in the USA is was bred to her own dog that only made SG in the adult calss. Hardly what I paid for!

Christine's ex husband Andreas Weiss screwed me on dogs and training first. Then Christine said she would get my remaining dogs from Andreas and she would complete their titles for me. Ofcourse I had to pay for everything all over again.

She had several of my dogs, and they WERE well prepared. She brought over 4 of them (I paid for everything-arfare, shipping fees, and took her to tourist attractions, dinners, at my expense etc.). After she left and the dogs had settled in a few weeks I took them to my club. The dogs did not know most of the comands even though they had 'titles'. I have done SchH since 1978, and due to not enough time and my worn out joints I now have many of my dogs titled by other people. These dogs had no more training when I got them back 12-18 months later than they had when I sent them to Germany. Of course, I had to pay to get them back.

The last straw was a female I bought ftom a broker in Germany from whom I have purchased many excellent dogs. This was a working line female the broker tested for me. He hs told me NOT to buy dogs in the past that he tested for me, so I do not think the broker was hustling me.

Christine had my female more than a year and had not accomplished anything, but kept telling me the dog was going to make her BH and SchH1 any moment. I finally insisted my dog go to another trainer I had lined up. She refused. She said if I ever wanted to see teh dog again I had to pay for the SchH1 even though the dog had NOTHING, not even an AD, and I would have to pay to hae the sdog shipped ot me in the USA. She did not want another trainer in Germany wprking the 'ready for schH1" dog that knew nothing and maybe report her to the SV. The dog did not even know the Sitz or Platz command when she arrived, and had no bitework beyond what she had as a puppy. So much for "being ready to trial any minute". Christine knows how to train, but has too many dogs, and does not care for them well. Most of the dogs are kept many miles from her home on a lot where they are unattended and wearing bark collars. She goes to feed and clean them once a day (usually) and will pick them up to train and then return them there. She won't admit she has worked somone else's more important dog, and did nothing with yours. She works the dogs that can help make a name for her at the big shows so she can get her more suckers, I mean clients.

Jackie Athon

That's exactly what happened with my friend.  She came to Florida, stayed here for a few days, entertained, etc.  Dogs were the same way, 1 came back in horrible condition, she never did get her 2nd dog back unfortunately. 

Angela.

The fact is the trainer could not count on deriving his livelihood from a person with a few dogs such as myself. His loyalty was to clients were repeat customers many times over and who bought dogs from the trainer and brokered them in the USA.

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She won't admit she has worked somone else's more important dog, and did nothing with yours. She works the dogs that can help make a name for her at the big shows so she can get her more suckers, I mean clients.

Unfortunately, these are the vital issues: money talks, the preferential treatment given to training/titling dogs for repeat customers (many times over), and the trend of maintaining to damned many dogs.

Luckily, after visiting with a trainer abroad and watching her train, I am able to refer my friends/clients (only) to her. She never takes on more than a couple dogs for titling, does so in a timely manner and at a reasonable cost, and treats the training dogs with the same TLC that she gives her own dogs. Thanks to my references, she is already booked for the coming year.

Taking nine months to train/ title a dog with a decent foundation is absurd. My own youngest dog went from BH to SchH3 IPO3 in roughly 7.5 months with an American trainer (never accepted more than two outside training dogs) who is no longer titling dogs for clients.

Bottom line: I will only send or recommend sending a dog to a trainer whom I personally have seen train, whose training style I have evaluated, and and have observed where they train (including the helper they work with).

Just curious - can anyone call him/herself a "dog trainer" in the US and Germany or are there requirements that must first be met? I've also seen the term "Master Dog Trainer" which means exactly what?

Same thing happend to me. She has a LONG CHECKERED Past !!

My Bitch came back so thin I could put my hands (index fingers)  touching around her loin !!! 

Burn marks on neck from bark collar and would panic if crated !

I remember what happened to quite a few people some of whom have already posted here.

She went so far as to post lies about me on her website.

The SV has not taken steps against any of these types of people in Germany to their detriment.

How the hell does one not get their dog back? If my dog were being held by someone you can be damn sure I would be paying whatever to get the dog back. I think that is ridiculous!

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That's exactly what happened with my friend.  She came to Florida, stayed here for a few days, entertained, etc.  Dogs were the same way, 1 came back in horrible condition, she never did get her 2nd dog back unfortunately. 

Angela.