Pups sold on limited or full registration - difference is price? - Page 2

My lecture was not needed.  Lots of smart folks spoke up, first. 

For the sake of rolling over some ideas or thoughts on this topic,  there can be a myriad of other reasons people structure their prices certain ways?

Some reasons I've heard from local breeders when I was investigating my pricing strategies:

1. We want to weed out some who just buy on a whim
2. We want to make sure the person is financially able to care for the dog
3. We want to keep the local market prices strong, (cuz everything keeps costing more)
4. Lower price if potential surgery may be needed (only one testicle, etc)
5. People think I'm a BYB if I sell them cheap and most don't understand the differences in quality vs quantity
6. It costs more to give the level of whelping care I want to give
7. Intentions of the buyer to consider, show & sport costs lots of money & want to encourage with lower price

And the most audacious one I heard:

1. This is PALM BEACH and people want to spend good money or they think they are getting Junk!  Their friends will inevitably find one that costs more and then the race of keeping up with the Jones' is on.

I personally don't see how anyone could make alot of money breeding unless they have gone the commercial route. Raising these dogs right and giving them the best of care is expensive and should be firstly done for love.  Any money that could be made usually gets reinvested  into the care and furthering of the dog.  Ultimately preserving the integrity of the breed - as it should.  But - some just don't have morals.

JMHO 

MVF:  I think I speak for all who frequent this board when I say we value and appreciate what you post. 

I, too sell my dogs on limited registration, but I will lift that if/when the dog is OFA's, titled, etc., and has proven its value as a breeding prospect. I do not discount for limited reg., nor add cost to unlimited, as some do. MVFand others already  said the "why" pretty well, but I want to emphasize the mention above of this practice as conduit to stay involved with my dogs as they develop, hopefully keeping myself in the loop when their owners are making future decisions on breeding partners, if just on a condulting basis.

SS

This is my ad. : )

The sole reason for the price difference is that there are MANY, of not most, customers who want a high quality pet. They plan on spaying/neutering with no thoughts whatsoever for breeding. I think it is only fair to them to give them a lower price with limited registration.

People who have thoughts of breeding in the future SHOULD  pay a higher price.

That's it pure and simple.

I myself would never pay top dollar for limited registration unless I knew the breeder very well and trusted them.  Whether you agree or not makes no difference in the quality that I breed. Just look at my placings in the show ring, right along side AND many times in front of  the over priced breeders. I research my bloodlines throughly for the qualities I want to improve the breed with.  Can you say that? Do you know which lines are best for improving certain qualities? If not, you need to. My research has paid off and I am accomplishing what I want to see out of the breed. ie competition worthy working drives in show lines, improved conformation in working lines, dogs that do well in any type of training as well as the show ring as well as excellent family pets/protectors. I have the progeny out there doing well to prove it.  You can put all of your noses in the air and think you're better all you want. Doesn't change the quality of my dogs nor does it bother me a bit.  I respect schutzhund titles and am working towards them.  But I am doing it alone and paying for private training.  I have no respect for the arrogant shutzhund title obcessed people who send their dogs away for titles and then think that they are better that those of us who do it on our own.  Especially ones that claim to be wonderful trainers and yet send the dog away to be trained??!! That's the biggest laugh yet!!!  Yes, it takes years as opposed to months. But guess what, I know how to handle my dog in a trial/competition and my dog has a much deeper relationship with me because of the long hours spent.  I don't throw my dogs in a kennel run and breed the heck out of them until they have nothing more to give just because they have a title.  ANYONE who has money can pay for a titled dog and you think that makes you and your dog special?  There is much more to accessing a dog than JUST a sch title. That is precisely why the breed is in trouble. Especially the show lines... because peole think just because it has a title it is worthy. Well let me tell you I have seen "titled" dogs that no one would believe that they passed. For a "SchH 3 dog" to fail simple courage tests is rediculous. Yes, there are a few circumstances where the dog is sick or injured or has jet lag etc. but for that same "3" dog to fail over and over again proves that titles are not always legitmate. Anyone who disagrees with that has got their head in the sand.  There is so much more to consider than JUST titles (I repeat).  I know through training what my dogs have and so does my trainer.  That's worth much more than just paying for a title. Here is just one example of my working/show progeny that has has much success in the show ring as well as working abilities.

Gripe all you want and while you are waving your substandard sch title.... I am improving the breed. Like it or not.

See ya at both nationals in the near future!!!!!!!!!

Debby

ebinezer052899@yahoo.com  http://castlebrooshepherds.net/enter.html

Just curious, for the breeders that state they would revoke limited registration if the dog passes ofa - what do you do then if the dog does not pass?  Do you reimburse or provide another pup?  If the dog was sold on limited as a pet - and it is mildly dysplastic - how would you address?  Just curious from an owner that out of 4 dogs - had 2 dyplastic, one ofa good and waiting impatiently for my youngest 2nd  birthday to have her xrayed.  I know there are no guarantees, and I had no warranty so I am not complaining, just am interested in how other breeders would approach this  situation.

Cheryl

Nearly EVERY AKC breeder makes only the distinction in terms of price. First of all, most dogs are NOT breeding candidates, but for an extra $500 they can be. Second, if a dog IS a potential breeding candidate, I consider it the new owners prerogative to decide what THEIR breeding goals are, and what their breeding criteria will be. Bear in mind that most dogs are pets with no breeding future at all. Most dogs in the US are bred without regard for ANY breeding standards, and when standards are applied they are frequently all wrong. AKC Registration is mostly just like Monopoly money. It is fun for people to have a pedigree and registration to show that their dog is not just the result of a fling between consenting strays. I do NOT restrict registration because I consider it to be disingenuous and petty in light of the way it is used by AKC breeders. Furthermore, my culls are generally far better than any Am. line dogs that are being given full reg., and as such would be better breeding candidates than those very incorrect dogs controlled only by the price. I have sold EXCELLENT pups with full registration (AKC/USA)for VERY little money when I thought the situation best for the pup to fulfill its potential. While not all owners x-ray their dogs, I replace, refund, or take other compensatory action in good faith and in consultation with the owner of any dog that comes up displastic. The wellbeing of the dogs and solid value for the owners are my TOP priorities. I can not ever suppose that I will be able to control breeding choices for future generations any more than I can control the breeding choices of my own children. Best Wishes, Jonah

All of my pups sold (which by the way has only been 5 litters over 13 years) fall under the same contract with the Hips, Elbows, and Health Guarantees. I do not believe one can say, this puppy who is 8 weeks is going to be perfect at 2 and his brother/sister will not. I hope ALL are perfect at 2 but lets be reasonable. I also don't say, this is "pet" and that is "breed" quality, I can not se into the future. I do evaluate them and can say this puppy at this point/stage in his/her development shows me potential to be a sport or working dog but really all the pups will be pets as I will not sell one of my pups to someone who wants a dog to sit kenneled all day and work a day or too per night, this includes the adults sold to police depts. I decided a few years ago after dealing with a few breeders I had dealt with when purchasing pups for myself, that I would rather require they either return the pup, or if they choose to keep him/her, spay/neuter him/her and I will return your purchase price in full. Now if they wanted a pup from an upcoming litter I would certainly work that out but I would never say you MUST take a new puppy (they may not want it so they will dump it), nor would I ever say you MUST return the "broken" puppy if they want to provide it a good home. I have no need for the dog unless they don't want it.

Tina 

If the dog turns out dysplastic, then the limited doesn't get reverved, and if it's found to be mild to moderate
the dog will still make an excellent pet.
Alot of people do not check their pet dogs hips.
You can only tell about  mild hip problems or major for that matter, if you x-ray the hips.

If the dog has severe hip dysplasia, then the person can opt for a complete %100
refund of purchase price,or a puppy replacement.

I'm always available to answer questions puppy people have,
they must be %100 happy and satisfied with the pup , or it's not fair to 
the puppy.

I read the ad in ?   and did NOT see where it was Absolute that this ad is purely money motivated with regard to Reg. being limited or full...

Limited Reg.  in an ad is a more professional way of advertising "Pet Quality"

Limited Reg. = Pet Quality              No ???    well Yes to me anyway,  when I read Limited Reg.  I think Pet Quality !

If you sell ALL pups on Limited Reg.   does that mean ALL your pups are Pet Quality ONLY ???    It would be the "Impression" you are giving to consumers.   

When you "Lift" a limited to full,  is there a fee involved ??   Or how about like the ? asked earlier if a person pays for limited gets titles done but dog fails passing OFA do you Refund ??  because they paid for a Breed Quality,  but got limited and a failing OFA does not allow for lift of limited,  due to no fault of they're own.  What then ??

If people tell me they are going to spay/neuter,  I use the spay/neuter contract and pup is sold on limited....

If there is a minor fault,  Coat, for example,  that pups price is reduced and is sold on a limited reg.  and spay/neuter contract.

Otherwise the pups are sold on full reg.  and a specific contract !!!   OFA's must be Good or better,  must have at least completion of obedience certificate,  so on and so on.

My point is,  I did not see where THAT ad could be read as Purely Money Motivated....  JMO