Here are your moderators. - Page 9

If you ask me,,,,,,and you didn't, I don't believe in outside moderation.  I am also against big brother and photo enforcement at intersections.  To me, it's bordering on censorship and the freedoms granted us (as an American) by our constitution.  If you don't like what someone has to say,,,,,don't read it.  I also don't particularly care for movies that have been edited for television,,,,,,,,like Slapshot.  Ruins the movie.  Don't like it in it's original content,,,,don't freakin' watch it.

What recourse do we, as members/participants of this forum have if we don't approve of what the moderators are doing?

zmoderator, yes, that is precisely what I am wondering--is Max referring to the messages he received from German shepherd dog?  If not, then what messages IS he referring to?  I am also trying to remind German shepherd dog that it is entirely possible for different people to come away with different understandings of a written comment, ESPECIALLY in the context of Internet messaging and when clarifying aids such as emoticons, etc. are not employed to demonstrate intent, tone and the like.  If German shepherd dog's PM's to Mainly Max did not specifically *say* 'you're a rabble rouser, you're a malcontent' and so forth, but Max came away with the impression that this was the inference of those messages, neither party is blameless, and both need to communicate more clearly and excuse the other for the misunderstanding.

And Phil, I think the 'recourse' members/participants have if they don't care for the changes or the moderators' actions is pretty obvious:  dissatisfied members can stop using the site.  If a sufficient number of members do that and revenue from the site declines to a degree where it becomes a concern for the site owner, then good business sense will dictate that changes are once again needed.  Although you and I are Americans, this site is not, and it is unreasonable to demand the owner operate it in any fashion other than as he sees fit.  I've been here since 2003, started out lurking before I signed on, and I'm going to ride this tide out for a while and see where it goes, at least for the time being.  I encourage you to do likewise, as you would be a lost asset here, IMO.

Trick question,,,,,.  That's exactly the answer I was looking for.  IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON"T READ IT OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.  The moderators are granted poetic license and benefits that we as the "meat" of this forum are not.  The moderators are granted rights that I am not,,,,,and I can almost 100% guaranty, I come from higher moral fiber than all 3 "chaperones" combined.

Max, you are always polite and helpful in your comments. I cannot imagine that you will have issues with the moderators or anyone.

Let's get back to the task of making this a good community for all aspects of the GSD. Oli has taken the first step. He has also apparently removed some mods that many disagreed with.

These mods seem determined to be fair and impartial, if not, then we can again take it up with Oli. It looks to me that this has already been effective.

And to those who wish to be able to make any poor comment desired to others, and to limit discussion as to what they approve of only, I only wish to say "bye".

Rik

 
my point is that one canine is welcoming the other is the dominate and territorial...menacing...

if you have to think about it, you may be enjoying your power trip a bit too much!

1. Talk to moderators one on one.

2. Email the site owner.

3. Simply leave.

Do not get me wrong we want no member to leave, but you say it all in your above post.

The site owner does not have to allow free speech and if you look around 99.9% of all forums are moderated.  If you stay on topic and are respectful you should have no worries. Really simple.

Are you guys looking for an OT forum? A forum not really about dogs, but about all the ism's I listed in a post above. Do you want a free for all forum? What is hard about the concept of a dog forum being a dog forum? I do not get the opposition of the site owners wishes.

Regards,
GSD

Phil, I understand your sentiments.  I didn't believe moderators were necessary or beneficial the times it was tried here in the past, and with no offense intended toward the present class, I still don't believe moderators are necessary or beneficial now, either.  Before, when the moderator scheme was enacted, this site wasn't a revenue-generator, so Oli wasn't losing anything if members decided it wasn't worth posting here and the discussions slowed to a trickle.  That's not the case now, however, and I think it is that alone which will determine the course of this latest effort to use moderators.  If the site loses more traffic while under the watchful mouseclicks of moderators than it did when it was a 'no holds barred' atmosphere, I suspect Oli will reconsider yet again, and there will be additional changes made.

And while I know you're a stand-up guy, I'll refrain from commenting on your assertion that you're of better character than any of the three mods, since I don't know who they are, and therefore haven't formed an impression of their characters as of yet.  I do know that I'd no more want to volunteer any of my time to serve as a moderator for a message board than I'd submit to having a root canal done without nitrous oxide.