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by Prager on 19 August 2010 - 20:08
Here is data on Mambo from 2009:
Mambo z Pohraniční strá¿e 30xrays 25 negative which is 83% of HD negativee
HD level 1/1: dog 1
HD level 2/2: 3dogs
HD level 3/3: 1 dog
HD level 4/4 none
I will try to get earlier years like 2008 which have similar results.
This is not easy to get since data are propriatory to the members of the club only .
So do not tell anyone :)
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
Mambo z Pohraniční strá¿e 30xrays 25 negative which is 83% of HD negativee
HD level 1/1: dog 1
HD level 2/2: 3dogs
HD level 3/3: 1 dog
HD level 4/4 none
I will try to get earlier years like 2008 which have similar results.
This is not easy to get since data are propriatory to the members of the club only .
So do not tell anyone :)
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

by ghostly on 19 August 2010 - 20:08
Hans what I was reffering to was the prodigey from his breeding here in the States. Cause what I have heard was there have been a number of dogs that had to be put to sleep because they had such bad Hip displacia and I have heard that his sire had some of the same issues also.
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by GermanK9lover on 19 August 2010 - 20:08
I wanted to know what you thought of him..What he brought to his offspring as in drives, hips and elbows?
How was Xero in terms of drives? I am just trying to learn all about these dogs that are in pedigrees..
Like Grim also what did he bring and why is it bad to linebreed on him?
How was Xero in terms of drives? I am just trying to learn all about these dogs that are in pedigrees..
Like Grim also what did he bring and why is it bad to linebreed on him?

by Prager on 20 August 2010 - 01:08
ghostly
when you say prodigey do you actually mean prodigy? Which means: someone unusually gifted or intelligent; someone whose talents excite wonder and admiration
or have you meant progeny; which means offspring? And when you say hip "displacia" do you actually mean canine hip dysplasia? You know you should at least learn the nomenclature and spelling of the key words of the topic at hand, especially if you want to bash someone. Also I have explained every point of yours here in earlier posts. Thus maybe you should read them first.
Your point about me being banned from AKC for 10 years was explained by me on many occasions on PDB and I even explained it, voluntarily , I mind you,
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ON THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I'll do it one more time. I was subject to routine AKC inspection. When the inspection was announced to me I went to my storage 80 miles away from me to retrieve my records. At that point I have discovered that these records were destroyed in a flood and by torrential rain which tore part of the roofing off and water leaked on my records and they were turned into a paper mache mixed with mud. ThusIi was not able to provide them to the AKC inspector. I have explained the situation to AKC official, but was summarily rejected and I was banned personally from registering dogs with AKC for 10 years. .
My status with AKC had been since reinstated . One of the officials which was helping me with the reinstatement process indirectly apologized. I have later never fail to provide AKC papers to people who requested them since the new dogs were registered in the name of my partner and later on in the name of my fiance.
Ghostly people like you are chasing good people from forum like this one. However you are too much of a small potatoes to chase me away. But I would suggest that you reevaluate what you are doing.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpink9.com
when you say prodigey do you actually mean prodigy? Which means: someone unusually gifted or intelligent; someone whose talents excite wonder and admiration
or have you meant progeny; which means offspring? And when you say hip "displacia" do you actually mean canine hip dysplasia? You know you should at least learn the nomenclature and spelling of the key words of the topic at hand, especially if you want to bash someone. Also I have explained every point of yours here in earlier posts. Thus maybe you should read them first.
Your point about me being banned from AKC for 10 years was explained by me on many occasions on PDB and I even explained it, voluntarily , I mind you,
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ON THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I'll do it one more time. I was subject to routine AKC inspection. When the inspection was announced to me I went to my storage 80 miles away from me to retrieve my records. At that point I have discovered that these records were destroyed in a flood and by torrential rain which tore part of the roofing off and water leaked on my records and they were turned into a paper mache mixed with mud. ThusIi was not able to provide them to the AKC inspector. I have explained the situation to AKC official, but was summarily rejected and I was banned personally from registering dogs with AKC for 10 years. .
My status with AKC had been since reinstated . One of the officials which was helping me with the reinstatement process indirectly apologized. I have later never fail to provide AKC papers to people who requested them since the new dogs were registered in the name of my partner and later on in the name of my fiance.
Ghostly people like you are chasing good people from forum like this one. However you are too much of a small potatoes to chase me away. But I would suggest that you reevaluate what you are doing.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpink9.com

by Prager on 20 August 2010 - 01:08
My friends,
I am sorry, but I think I may be going to stop talking about any specific dogs here.
Since if I say negative things about a dog which I know are true; people are pissed. When I say positive things about dog which I know are true; people are pissed again. If someone wants to base their decision on innuendos, rumors and jealousy then go for it. I, on the other hand, base my decisions on facts and on advice of people I trust and I know that they know. Sometimes it is not just a fact though, but it is an art, gut feeling of a person who does it for deacades. I was hoping that maybe I could help to someone breed better dogs here by passing these down the line. I have often went out of my way to help people who want to know. I like to help people and I like GSD and since I know that people will not stop breeding dogs, then at least I can help them to do it right. I am not God and yes I make mistakes. But I correct them when find them and when someone points them out to me. Jiri told me oin several occasions, that I am an naive Idiot for trying to advice people here on specific dogs,....now I can see what he meant. People who disagree are just throwing excrements around and not facts. Hear says at best.
I say this though. I have sold Mambo to someone and that person does not even like me any more. It would be easy to say Mambo is crap and hurt that person. However I am saying that Mambo is a great dog who produces on average better hips then most dogs on this world. If you want to discard him because someone says that he is a bad dog, because he produced some bad hips, then go for it. It is totally uncalled for, but go ahead. It is still free world here in good old USA . Go for it! I do not base my statements on hear say though. I have sometimes even proprietary statistics which tell me otherwise. I have sheared them with you in order to benefit you and the breed. I have been sharing knowledge about specific dogs which is often Jealously guarded as a secret and to get them out of people it is like pulling a tooth. And then when i share these with you I get invariably insults.
I will teach here general principles, but not specific dogs. I am sorry.
Take care.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
I am sorry, but I think I may be going to stop talking about any specific dogs here.
Since if I say negative things about a dog which I know are true; people are pissed. When I say positive things about dog which I know are true; people are pissed again. If someone wants to base their decision on innuendos, rumors and jealousy then go for it. I, on the other hand, base my decisions on facts and on advice of people I trust and I know that they know. Sometimes it is not just a fact though, but it is an art, gut feeling of a person who does it for deacades. I was hoping that maybe I could help to someone breed better dogs here by passing these down the line. I have often went out of my way to help people who want to know. I like to help people and I like GSD and since I know that people will not stop breeding dogs, then at least I can help them to do it right. I am not God and yes I make mistakes. But I correct them when find them and when someone points them out to me. Jiri told me oin several occasions, that I am an naive Idiot for trying to advice people here on specific dogs,....now I can see what he meant. People who disagree are just throwing excrements around and not facts. Hear says at best.
I say this though. I have sold Mambo to someone and that person does not even like me any more. It would be easy to say Mambo is crap and hurt that person. However I am saying that Mambo is a great dog who produces on average better hips then most dogs on this world. If you want to discard him because someone says that he is a bad dog, because he produced some bad hips, then go for it. It is totally uncalled for, but go ahead. It is still free world here in good old USA . Go for it! I do not base my statements on hear say though. I have sometimes even proprietary statistics which tell me otherwise. I have sheared them with you in order to benefit you and the breed. I have been sharing knowledge about specific dogs which is often Jealously guarded as a secret and to get them out of people it is like pulling a tooth. And then when i share these with you I get invariably insults.
I will teach here general principles, but not specific dogs. I am sorry.
Take care.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

by Felloffher on 20 August 2010 - 01:08
Sorry to hear this, I have learned a lot from your posts.

by Red Sable on 20 August 2010 - 09:08
I am sorry to hear that too Prager. I love hearing about specific dogs from someone who knows them. It really helps me in deciding on my next pup. Don't let a few bad apples ruin the bushel.
by LadyVol71 on 20 August 2010 - 13:08
It is shameful and disgusting that people cannot come together on a forum to have a polite and respectful discussion on a topic of interest. Sadly, it is perhaps a sign of the times, e.g., radio talk show rants, political bickering filled with vitriol, “reality” TV garbage, ad nausem. I am interested in learning as much as possible about Czech lines in the hopes of getting a pup in the near future. There are likely others who visit this forum with similar interests. Thus far, Hans has been the ONLY one to freely answer specific questions regarding breeding strategies and provide information on past and current breeding animals. We can all agree to disagree, that is not the issue; but, to fling bitter barbs and insulting innuendo is foolish and irresponsible. Constructive counter arguments regarding specific dogs and breeding programs are welcomed and appreciated. Asinine behavior is not. I hate that this informative thread has been hijacked by those few who only care to spew petty and mean-spirited comments.

by gagsd4 on 20 August 2010 - 13:08
I have been considering posting, but LadyVol71 said it perfectly.
---Mary
---Mary

by Prager on 20 August 2010 - 13:08
By the way it is mild what you see here in comparison to phone calls and e mails I have got.
Prager Hans
Prager Hans
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