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Slamdunc,i do not know if you have ever watched a real dog bite,but i can give you some example of real tough dog biting in defence.Have you ever watched a dog name Brownson a well know police and one of the best police dog you will ever come across another great police dog was Cj owned by Kevin Sheldhal you will never see these dogs put their ears down
when biting that is true picture of a confident dog.

Also this dog in question has his ears down while it is barking never mind when it is ready to bite.

 

People this is body language 101.The majority of the time a dog puts his ears down is when a dog showing submission or when it is stressed.

I think the people who do not understand how to read a dog's body language or what cues a dog  is giving you should get a tape that Ed Frawley sells ----First Steps of Defence you guys would benefit alot. Have a nice one

Let me put it in simple words.In defence ears down bad,ears up good.

No good and confident dog should put its ears down when decoy in your face ----Ears down is submission.When a dog is confident and dominant you will never see its ears down.Put your own dog to test.Every good confident dog out there taht is working in defence will neve put his ears down and if it does the trainig has been shit. For this is not natural for a dog to be confident and dominant in a fight with a decoy and flatten its ears. Have a nice one.

Held,

Let me put it in simple words.In defence ears down bad,ears up good.

I agree this is a very simple statement, and an incorrect one.  Yes, held I have seen "real dogs" bite and I have seen "real dogs" bite "real" bad guys with out equipment on the street.  I have had several "real bites" with my dog in the past year, most required a hospital visit.  If what you know you learned form Ed Frawley, well what can I say.  Ed may run a good Internet business and sell some good equipment, but it kinda ends there, IMO. I don't want to go off on a tangent regarding Ed and my opinion and have this thread be hijacked.  

Have you actually seen the dogs you are referring to in person?  Have you worked these dogs or been there when they were biting "for real"? 

People this is body language 101.The majority of the time a dog puts his ears down is when a dog showing submission or when it is stressed.

If that's what you learned form Ed's tapes, I can say no more.  Either go back and watch them again or get some better viewing material. This is another simple and incomplete statement.  There are many reasons a dogs ears will go down, not just submission or stress.  If that's how you read a dog then you need to research further.  Why does a dog wag his tail, because he is happy?  Is that the only reason?  Same logic at work. 

Remember, when reading a dog you must take the whole body into account including the eyes, tail, ears, lips, posture, vocalizations, etc. All of these must be included and all of the signals the dog is giving must be added up and read not just the ears.  To remove one signal or one cue and read it can be very misleading.  The message from the dog is the sum of all of those signals. 

JMO FWIW,

Jim

Jim

I agree. I am  tired of people not reading dogs properly. Table work is as horrible as closed up environment where the dog has to go to the dark closet to get a bite...I assume people who dont like table would ask the bad guy to come on out so the dog's ears will stand up... that is how it it suppose to be.


Sorry I get emotional these days.. Still not over Slovakia loss with Canada. LOL

pack

Held you are incorrect.  Dogs when targetting (on their way to the bite) will have their ears up, but once they commit to the bite their ears will go back - even the "real dogs".   Dogs when guarding close to the helper - ears back.  If their ears are up when they are guarding - prey/play dog - not what you want to see in sport or for real work.  Body language is not so simple as you say it is. 

molly

Slamdunc,you are so wrong it is not even funny.I gave you examples that you coould go and see for yourself what you giving me your word well youe word is not good enough.Dogs that i mentioned were great police dogs and i know not every K9 copper does not have a dog like that and you certainly do not have a dog like that i can tell you that and i have never even seen your dog.But the way you respond here and things you say tell me alot as to what you know and don't know.

As far as Frawely is concerned,he has made more good information available on proper dog training than anyone in north america.

And if you were smart and wanted to become a good trainer one day you would take advantage of this.And you would avoid making simple mistakes.

Can you also show me some videos of strong dogs working as an wxample to  back up your point.

Again this dog is not being worked properly in defence,but you have to have an eye and knoweldge to know that otherwise you can watch this video hundread time and not know what is going on.Have a nice one.

Gasdpack,cry baby cry! Have a nice one.

Ed is one hell of a sales man and for that I am jelous.. he knows how to make money, I have never seen him take a dog and take him/her from a start to the end.. so I have no idea how he traines and interracts with dogs. I have couple of videos and I agree he does have great info on them(one is Bernard Flinks  the other one was Puppy 8-8 I believe. I never actiually used it because I know how to raise my dogs) i have it for people who come to our club and have no clue about working dogs. Great starter video.

I wonder if Randy put Eds dog on a table.. ?

I rather cry than have limited, blind knowlege!

Molly, how long you have been a trainer and a breeder.You surprise me.Can you just simply tell me if dog is showing these two behaviours,submission and stress how does it carry its ears up or down.A simple yes or no will do.Have a nice one.