working VS Show - Page 9

KCzaja,

I appreciate what you had to say, it is of good value as it is your prospective from true experience.

Ibrahim

 Yes, I agree with Ibrahim, you wrote an excellent post KCzaja, very well said.

I found this article very interesting and explained extremely well

www.germandogtrainingcenter.com/what-is-temperament.php

Hi Kelly,

In the 80s I had a black and tan German line male that passed PPD training with ease.
He was also great in the house and safe around kids.
(Dick Adeloga - Klammle - Tollensestrand - Haus Shutting lines)

My high drive female had lines to Wicko vom Meran (some Kirschental)
She had strong nerves, high ball drive, great in the house, safe with people and kids.

My last Showline was a male from Cash vom Wildsteiger Land  bred to a Fanto Hirshel daughter.
(from Jane Steffenhagen)

He was a handfull.  A little aggressive -  a great tracker.
I had to put him in a seperate room when people he didn't know came over.
(Then slowly introduced the people to him.)

I'll take a good dog from any lines - I try to not look at the great divide.

Finding one is not easily done though - I might be too picky.

I like both kinds - does that make me some kind of a traitor - ha!  (just kidding)

Lee

KCzaja,
Very good post and I agree.  I have owned and trained a GSL dog.  He was a hard, high drive dog with serious aggression.  That is the dog I started doing SchH with.  That dog would have been a better police dog than a sport dog and I had offers form PD's to buy him.  But, I wouldn't sell him.  I HOT trained him from 8 weeks to a SchH 3, I did the AD, and KKL'd him.  I showed him several times and trialed him several times.  He was a V rated SchH 3 KKL1a black and red male.  Super dog.  I wish I could have him again as a pup, I loved that dog.  I'll find a picture and post it.  He was a SL dog that made you smile when you worked him.  He would knock decoys down and would seriously scare new decoys with his intensity.  When he rounded the blinds it sounded like a herd of horses coming.  I have also decoyed for many showline GSD's from puppies to SchH 3 as well as working line dogs. 

For me being on both sides; handling and decoying, I now prefer working lines.  But a GSL dog is not out of the cards for me in the future.  I would just need to find the right one.

Lee, I think I created the problem with my current male.  I'm working on it and definitely won't do it with another dog.  Sounds like our dogs similar, except mine doesn't spin. ;)

Jim

Exactly KC and Jim, you just can't generalize.  The overwhelming majority of working line dogs, including dogs who compete and win at the upper levels of the sport, are not dangerous out of control dogs who cannot function in society.     

My TD  happens to be into working line GSDs and show line GSDs.  He has a couple of show line dogs that more than hold their own on the field, no problem.  We also have two  club members who have show line dogs.   One is a male KKL1, schHIII, FH, and to see him work, there is no question, he absolutely earned his titles legitimately, very nice dog.  The other is a young dog working towards and almost ready for his schH1.  He has nice drives, enjoys the work, he and his handler are making a very nice team.

If you actually want to understand and learn about schutzhund and drives, nothing will teach you like experience, but if you want to start educating yourself,  pick up a copy of  "Der Schutzhund", by Helmut Raiser.

You can get a good dog from working or showlines, though your odds are better with working, there are showlines that will work, there are working lines that don't work. But when it comes to breeding and producing working dogs from showlines consistently, you have a problem and this shouldn't be. Its genetics!!
BTW, for some of you knowledgable all arounders, what would you say is the difference between Showline dogs and DDR dogs in terms of working ability on a consistent basis. DDR dogs don't tend to go,go,go; they develop slower, and are usually handler sensitive, so what do people think of them in comparison to showline in terms f working?/

Good sub-topic, Gustav!   I don't have first hand experience with DDR dogs, so obviously I will not be commenting,  but will be interested to read what those who have actual experience with  DDR dogs have to say about them.

Ok guys stop your crying and if you read my original response no where did i say that Hans is an idiot.I just made a general comment. If i thought Hans was an idiot,trust me i would have used his name for nothing would have stopped me.

Now with that said,let's move on and remember high drive dogs are not everyone's cup of tea and everyone is certainly  not experienced enough to keep one in the house let alone have buisness of owning one.


In the words of many otheres,high drive dogs are like Ferrari if you do not have the expertise to handle a Ferrari then do not freaking buy one and if you bent on buying one then go and freaking learn to handle one first. Do not buy one and then come on this board to learn.

Hans no disrespect,have enjoyed your web site for many years to get to know czeck dogs thanks.Have a nice one.

Red sable, keep up the good work you got a really nice dog there.one day i like to see it.Have a nice one.