A CONFORMATION TEST in GSD WORKING TRIALS - REQUIRED - Page 9

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Two Moons

by Two Moons on 22 January 2009 - 23:01

The middle of the road is not so hard to find.     Mixing these two extremes can only be an improvement.

JMO.



VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 22 January 2009 - 23:01

Two Moons, in my experience breeding 2 extremes to another never yields positive results.  Anyone serious about crossing in a work/show dog into their opposite breeding program needs to specifically chose 2 dogs who are NOT extremes.  If I wanted to breed a WL dog to my showlines, I would chose a dog like Shelley Strohl's male, who has outstanding strucute and produces it as well. Taking a softish, high V showline and breeding it to a G rated drive machine would not create the golden middle!

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 22 January 2009 - 23:01

Perhaps extreme was the wrong word to use...  I'm not real focused at the moment.   But both work and show lines could stand a little of the other.    This might take generations rather than results in one or two litters.   
I see the arguement on both sides against change.  
Maybe people should just accept things as they are, and surely some could show working dogs and some could work show dogs.


Mystere

by Mystere on 23 January 2009 - 00:01

Gustav, Your post is not only accurate and well-reasoned, it is confirmed by at least one confirmation (USA) judge: Carbajal. In two of his seminars, he specifically mentioned that the shoulder angles so prized/sought by the show line afficionados does not produce the power/propulsion for speed and jumping required for performance on the schutzhund field (take off on retrieves, both flat and over jumps, take off in the courage test, launch in courage test, etc.) I specifically asked if that is so, and sch is used as a breed-worthiness test, then shouldn't the desired angle be that most conducive to performance in that test? My response was "crickets chirping," then he just went onto another topic. :-)

by Christopher Smith on 23 January 2009 - 00:01

This is why I strongly advocate a SPLIT between ALSATIONS SHOWDOGS and the German Shepherd Dog. Let us get these morons off our backs, let them have their English Alsations showdogs, and NEVER EVER let them (Alsations showdogs) cross breed with our German Shepherd Dogs. They can keep their LEVEL and DIPPY backs, their crap temperaments, their short front legs, their predominence of weak characters, their overbuilt forechests and all their health problems. THE GSD NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM ALSATIONS SHOWDOGS, IN THE SAME MANNER WE ARE SEPARATED FROM BELGIUM SHEPHERDS.


Videx

by Videx on 23 January 2009 - 00:01

Christopher Smith:  Original - NOT.  Ridiculous - YES.

animules

by animules on 23 January 2009 - 00:01

Gustav, Excellent.  Thank you.

Wtih the number of V rated working lines, what's to fix?  I think they are fine.  I had a V rated Sch3, FH1 working line female.  Here's one of my favorite males.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/444825.html

by Christopher Smith on 23 January 2009 - 00:01

Videx HYPOCRITE – HELL YES!!!


Mystere

by Mystere on 23 January 2009 - 00:01

Videx, NO dogs failed to bite at the last USA National Championship. I can go through the Trial Results for USA, DVG ands WDA in the US and find more working line dogs with show ratings and breed surveys than I will find show line dogs who have trialed at any time in the US (where the trial and work would be actually seen, as opposed to the more questionable Midnight Trials of dogs sent to Germany [or California] for titling, where no one saw the trial, and the dog, once back home, shows very little evidence of having seen blinds and dumbbells before). Perhaps the situation is very different in the UK?




 

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