Sport Dog Guarding - Page 8

OK, gotcha. Same I would NEVER, ever work that dog ( the vid I posted), myself. I know he would bite, with no equipment needed. Like I said, the suit was unknown to him, he was "biting" the man in his mind.

Agree with hired dog 100% about the working of civil and police dogs.  No matter what you do they soon recognize it as training.  Best we can do is keep them from becoming equipment oriented and expose them to different possible scenarios.

Nice dog joanro. 

BZCZ, my two dogs are as opposite as you could get.   My old gal is all prey, and it wouldn't make a difference if I worked her myself (in her dominant drive) but my young dog (who is a half-brother to Joan's dog in the vid) has a good balance of prey/defence, with a level of civil aggression that I wouldn't work him myself.    

Koots,

If he's like Joan's dog I wouldn't either.  That dog is very civil.  You see him at one point in the video snap at the hand for touching him on the side.  That's not a nerve issue, that's a civil dog who will fight with anyone.  He was in aggression and didn't know who was touching him and he was ready to fight whoever that was too. You would be hard pressed to work this dog yourself with out creating some confusion in the other phases.

Bzcz, good observations and accurate assessment. For the record, I have never even used a tug with this dog, not even as a small puppy. Playing ball I stopped when he was around five months old, since he would get out of control. For the past two years, we play tug with a rubber toy, or Cong but only while he is still controllable and clear in the head. Not to say his obedienc is not good...he is VERY bidable and will even come off deer when he jumps them. I kept Otto in order to keep him out of the wrong hands...you know, the kind who want a bad ass dog to show off with.
BTW, Koots' dog is 3/4 brother to Otto...not surprised he has genetic civil side. :-)

BZCZ, my young dog has yet to mature enough to be worked in defence, but when he's ready I'll be taking him to a club for some helper work.      Now to just find the right helper/club, lol.    

Oh, and Joan, thanks for the correction - 3 out of 4 "grandparents" the same.

Yep Cuz you didn't wake up his civil side in the obedience.  Like I said good nerves and clear because you've kept him clear in the head. 

Can't help but to wonder what he would've been like in IPO in the right hands, 

Good luck with that Koots.  Where are you located?

BZCZ, I am in the Kootenays of BC (south-east-ish BC, near Nelson, as seen in the movie "Roxanne").     I used to live in the Vancouver area and trained with many talented helpers/trainers there in both sport and police and I got a lot of good training as a helper/decoy.     Now I don't have that luxury and there's nobody local doing sport work, and the police won't train with civilians (RCMP).     I hope to find a place in Spokane to train, but that's a 3 hr drive away and will wait until next year when Thor is more mature and advanced in obedience.

Bzcz, he IS in the right hands.:-) Shoot, I could tell when that pup was eight weeks old he was not sch material. See, if I had worked him like I did his litter mates when they were pups, he didn't care who it was he was going after.. As a senior pup, and even now, him in a pen for exercise, and he wanted to eat me up when I went in to bring him down to the house....not playing. Tie him to the gator when I take him with me to feed livestock, and he will fire up on me, serious. I give him a strong sit and I can walk in to turn him loose. Some dogs are not cut for sport, he is one of them.
Any body comes to the house when he's on the porch, and I know it even when I'm way out in the back.
Oh, and he is a natural retriever...he'll take his metal food dish up to the old barn. Later, I step outside and tell him,"bring your dish." He takes off at a run,up the hill to the barn and returns with the stainless steal dish in his mouth, shoves it in my hands....saves me steps.
Evaluating a dog and being able to assess them accurately is important to go with the dog rather than trying make a corvett out of a stealth bomber. :-)