Drago vom Patriot - Page 8

Tell me lonewulf, why is the "titling" of the dog so important? The place to evaluate the dog is AWAY from its own turf, on someone else's field that the dog has never been before with a helper in a suit the dog has never seen.

Again words I live by " Show me the dog I,ll read about him latter".

Hired Dog,

Titling has it's place for those that want to be a part of it. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head. For most people who don't have any other venue to proof their training it is a great way to have someone else do so that does not train with you and sees many other dogs/handlers and the fruits of their training. It's an activity that many people enjoy just like any other hobby or sport. If it's not for you, that's great. Others do enjoy it, though, and believe it has value, including for breeding purposes. To each their own.

I have a few questions about your friend's "My God, What a Dog!"

How is it's obedience? Did you see any of it? I do not mean IPO ob, just whatever ob you believe has merit.

How are it's tracking skills? Did you see it attempt any sort of tracking? Again, not IPO, but, the type of tracking you approve of. For instance, is the dog capable of following a scent that might find a cadaver, a lost child, a fleeing crime suspect, drugs, explosives, etc.?

Just curious because you failed to mention anything about the dog other than your misfortunes in taking bites from it. (Ooooh, we're all impressed!) I ask because there are many people who have dogs that are biting monsters, but, are mostly incapable of much else. Of course, this is usually the fault of the owner/handler. Titling, whether it's IPO, or just about any other venue, including police or military work and their certifications, weeds these dogs and their owners/handlers out.

Correction Steve, just like before when you addressed me, you ask because you are being sarcastic, "ooooh, we are impressed". Now, had you genuinely asked, I would have told you that the dog's obedience is very good, no tracking, but area search is very good and its bite work is outstanding and yes, its a Malinois. 

This is where I shall leave all of you to debate this to your hearts content while I keep my counsel and continue doing what I know best.....

No, I ask because every time someone wants to make a point about why titling a dog has no value they bring up a story about their friend's dog and what a monster it is in bitework and that it won't be titled (because we're supposed to believe it is above anything like that), all the while never mentioning anything about any of the dog's other skills.

Power without clarity or biddability is a liability..... A lion, a hyena, a tiger all have monster bites..... you don't see them serving mankind except in a zoo or in a circus.....

Titling is a process that shows evidence of clarity & biddability in an animal through a systematic process... available for those who wish to use such processes... Otherwise you are welcome to whatever else you wish to do.

You are free to believe as you wish Steve, you are also free to pick and choose what part of a dog's temperament most interests you. I will maintain that breeding a dog has nothing to do with titles, some of the most titled dogs on the planet cannot reproduce themselves.

And, if you read my post on page 3, you'll see that I don't disagree with that statement.

I'll also add that, "My God, What a Dog", if he is everything you say he is, may not reproduce himself either.

Thanks, though, for letting me know that I am free to believe what I want to believe in. You made my day!

Drago from this post and others is showing the drives that he can produce and that is key,some seem to forget how important this is,a dogs ability to produce like themselves,you can win the best working title in the world but this is in no way is a sure bet that the dog can produce the same in his offspring, I hear time and again how well Drago is producing,as some of his offspring get older and as he is used with more top females the trend i,m sure will be more wiinning working titles,to me the biggest neg.from reports I,m hearing are excessive vocals and some of the vids show this,I dont see this as weak nerves but just very high drivey dogs,to me its fair tradeoff though and yes once in awhile the europeans are willing to cut loose some of their best,we are lucky to have this male in America.