RIP K9 "Blek" - Page 8

Sue stated to Hans --

Have a nice day, I'm so done with you.
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Sue, many have been "done" with you for a long time.   Have a nice day. 

But you are ignoring the intent, Prager, you have ignored the intent of the poster.  What's more important - the intent or what someone would prefer to believe - and make other people believe?  For example, maggs' personal agenda.  She  wants people to believe MVF hates his country and she wants people to believe MVF thinks  all  people of color should be given a pass for all transgressions simply because they are people of color - but that's not what MVF has ever said.  This type of baloney and the personal insults that begin just  as soon as people disagree,  are what polarizes people on this board and ends any hope of  rational discussion on this board.

I believe MVF was stating what for me anyways, is obvious.  He was not saying this excuses the behavior, merely trying to discuss the reasons for differences in how different people perceive and react to different events.  How in general and in fact, how we are raised, our economic, educational, cultural, etc., environs do color our reactions.  If we are ever going to fix societal ills we must first understand the illness.  (I am speaking metaphorically when I say illness.) 

Thanks for the apology.  I am glad you weren't calling me lazy and I don't think you are dumb as a post either.
Anyway, I know this discussion is now just going to spiral down from here, so this time I truly am done - but not with you, Prager, I really enjoy reading most of your posts, (though obviously we differ politically)!  I especially look forward to your threads and posts about dogs, I know I can learn a lot from what you have to say. 

I would like to say again, this dog was a  hero and did not deserve what happened.  This is a tragic loss for his handler, his handlers family and the department.

I feel for that officer and the family. After knowing some K-9 officers from working at a vet clinic and dog training place,the dog is a part of their family. One officer I knew had to put his K-9 partner down cause it had cancer.I was brought to tears cause the officer and a few others including the captain was in the room crying.I knew this dog before the police had him and he was a great dog. I am sure that even though the officers know that something might happen to the dog...there is no being ready for it.
I wish the best for the family

Hey MVF, what proof do you have that the officer knew that "the alleged burglars" were black, blue, pink or any other color under the sun?  He was on a track, if they knew who these people were, they wouldn't be using the dog would they?  I'm not privy to the exact circumstances as i was not present but it's my understanding that I don't cut my K9 loose unless I want someone bit.  If I'm doing a track for a passive subject the dog is on leash.  As in the use of deadly force, if I am protecting my own life or the life of someone else, the dog is cut loose and bites what it finds.  How the dog got "separated" from his handler, I don't know.  If it were tough brush, down the dog, work your way through and call the dog and restart the track.  Want no biting?  Keep him on leash.  Want biting?  Cut him loose and let him do his job, however, you had better have enough control to call him off or at least call him back.  One advantage to dog vs. bullet, you can call it back.  Bottom line, dog was probably too far from handler and MVF probably needs to move to Canada where everybody's innocent and there are no crimes.

Great looking dog

I hate to play critic here, but WHY wasnt the dog halted, called off to resume the chase?

Its done in Sport and with other canines in venues, why not when their lives are on the line, would they allow dogs to become separated and not called off?

What is The Procedure, or IS there one, IF and When this happens?

And Innocent people do run from the police, chances are these were True Felons leaving the scene of a crime they just perpetrated in the burglary.

It's called an area search, the dog is taken off lead, K9 warnings are given and the dog is sent to search off lead.  When tracking or searching for armed subjects in a wooded area it is safer for the handler and Officers to cut the dog off lead and search.  I have done many tracks and area searches on lead and off lead.  If I know that there are no innocent people present and it's a serious felony the dog goes off lead and can search on his own.  There are many tactical reasons to do this which I won't go into here. 

If you prefer to track an armed felon through thick brush at the end of a 30' leash, I can give you the names of K9 Officers killed doing this.  You will wind up 10 yds (30 feet)  from the bad guy and he will know your coming long before you know he's there.    That's if you can untangle the leash long enough to actually track or catch the bad guy.  The only time I track on lead is if there may be other people around or the charges don't warrant a bite, or a missing person.  If I cut my dog off lead to search it is with an apprehension command and I have charges or information to warrant the dog engaging and biting. 

Sorry, but innocent people don't run from the police.  what a bunch of bullshit, get over yourselves.  I've chased lots and lots of people, no one ever ran because they were innocent.  Sorry, but that is a stupid flippin statement.  

The article stated that the dog couldn't hear the handlers commands and the handler couldn't hear the dog because of the helicopter searching overhead.  So there was no call off or recall possible in that situation.  Unfortunately, this is how lessons get learned from tragedy. 

Jim
 

 My heart goes out to this police department and the handler. It is a sad situation that Blek lost his life doing his job. 

Someone in this thread wondered about the dog's training and what happened to the "bark and hold". What good would a "bark and hold" do with criminals who continue running from the law.

Jim, correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that the dog did exactly what he was trained to do-apprehend the suspect and protect his fellow officers. Kudos to him. He is a hero!

Jim

Thanks for the clarification.

Heres one for you.. Innocent people do run.  Not everyone arrested Is Guilty.
Vids of Cops Tazing Handcuffed women...
These happen all of the time, Police Abuse is an Issue, whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCWahlaaHaA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn-45-nl4cU

For Instance, passer bys, witness a crime, cops respond but go after the wrong people.  
Its happens every day. Ive seen it happen.  Some times theyre arrested, booked, beaten or other. 
Theyre ordered to halt and they flee out of fear. 


 Video #2  of an Off Duty Chicago Cop that was refused Liquor. He then BEATS the Hell out of the 5-2 Waitress, Bartender.
He was placed on Probation, after facing 5 yrs for this vicious assault.  Justice, American style.
 

Rationalize the irrational, Jim. Defend it all you want.











 

Davren,
You are completely correct.  I sent you a PM, BTW.  

Jim