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by hodie on 30 March 2009 - 16:03
Good posts Zdop and Chris Smith.....Too many people live as if there dog work was the only thing that gave them self-worth. I feel sorry for those who really feel that way.
by Christopher Smith on 30 March 2009 - 17:03
A bad picture showing a mistake is not bad in and of itself but I have seen people use a picture (say of a dog coming off a sleeve) taken out of context (as a picture is basically just a statement of a point in time) to say somthing happened that actually did not. ( if you had several pics that would equate to a several points and thus a better conclusion) That is where the problem comes in . You can use a factual statment to make untrue point. I have never been afraid to make a mistake and I believe that we all can learn from them. But a picture can be a powerful statement. with time passing we can forget some of what precipitated the mistake. I have probably about 5-6000 photos of different dog stuff, Why keep the bad ones?
We should keep the bad ones because if we only allow the pictures that show the dog in a positive light we also give a false impression. Right? I aware that photos and videos can be abused but the censorship, even if self imposed, can be just as damaging.
I can’t tell you how many times I see a picture of a dog, that I know for a fact wouldn’t bite cotton if it were dipped in gravy, look like biting beast in ONE picture and that’s the only record that can be found. Who is that good for?
Last year a dog got run at the AWMA Nationals. It’s a good dog with good training, but neither dog nor handler had ever seen that level of helper work. This happens every year; people come to the AWMA unprepared for the trial. I think one of the reasons they come unprepared is because everyone that videos the trial edits the video to only show the dogs that are doing well in trial. If people left in the negatives more people would be prepared. Also those that don’t do well would know that this happen every year and would not think that they are the only ones that ever looked bad.
by Mystere on 30 March 2009 - 17:03
Wait a minute, Chris. Are you talking about th dog owned and handled by a child that was entered? That, IMO, is NOT something we want done, if we want to encourage youth participation in the sport. One of the great things about those puberty years was that we got to walk away from them when we (finally) outgrew them. To have a failure at that age plastered on the internet could be devastating.
by Christopher Smith on 30 March 2009 - 18:03
Nope I'm not talking about her. You are making the assumtion that failure is humiliating and shamful. I disagree with that but don't have the heart to do that to a kid.
But since you bring her up, that girl has more heart than most people that trial. And she knows what she is in for at the National having been 3 or 4 times.
But since you bring her up, that girl has more heart than most people that trial. And she knows what she is in for at the National having been 3 or 4 times.
by habanaro on 30 March 2009 - 18:03
Chris My problem is that people don't admit their own mistakes but they have a tendency to revel in others'. Yes i think you need to have a realistic picture of how difficult somthing is. But again the problem is that especially with the internet folks have a tendency to only believe what they are shown. (think platos allegory of the cave) and maybe not see things that you can't show with a picture or a video.
by GSDBESTK9 on 30 March 2009 - 19:03
I have never been told I was not allowed to take pictures at an event. However, I was approached by a well known competitor at a club trial and asked me to not take pictures of him. Whatever! Not like I wanted his pictures for something. LOL
by Christopher Smith on 30 March 2009 - 19:03
I don’t think that censorship is the answer to hypocrisy. And if people on the internet believe everything that they see shouldn’t they see both the negative and the positive?
by Bob McKown on 30 March 2009 - 19:03
I still believe it,s a problem of skin thickness, but my learned friend Habanaro makes a good point also there are some people that just live to get the chance to post a unflattering photo of someone so again it,s school yard stuff. If your not impeeding the abality of the trial to continue in a safe and orderly fasion or have been asked by the trial secratery or individual competitor not to photo them then don,t . I,m just letting everyone in the Schutzhund relm that i,m fair game with the lens... although there is this photo of me tied face down on a bed and covered in baby oil and sporting a lushish thong being spanked by one backwards standing avatar owner that isn,t as flattering as i thought it might be...
by animules on 30 March 2009 - 19:03
Christopher, As I explained by PM way back when we first discussed this, I was requested to remove certain videos. Based on who was asking, I complied.
I do agree with both Nia and Christopher, the young lady will go very very far in not only the sport but in everything she decides to do. She has class, heart, and sportsmanship.
I do agree with both Nia and Christopher, the young lady will go very very far in not only the sport but in everything she decides to do. She has class, heart, and sportsmanship.
by Mystere on 31 March 2009 - 02:03
That she does!! So does her sister, mom and dad. Wonderful people!!
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