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by Blitzen on 30 December 2007 - 00:12

Ceph, stating that all longcoats are not weather proof is not true and I've tried to stress that in almost every post I've made here regarding long coats. It all about the absence or presence of an adequate undercoat and the texture of the guardhairs, not so much the length. A long stock hair could survive and they were allowed until the early 90's when the SV decided they were no longer acceptable. I don't know why, but I suspect it was due to the SV judges putting their own personal interpretations on what was and what was not a long stock hair. Better no long coats period than have dogs that would be rejected by one judge as having an incorrect coat but accepted by another judge as a long stock hair. The Captain must have felt the long stock hairs were weather proof as he only eliminated long coats with no undercoat allowing the long stock hairs to remain status quo. Collies, shelties have long guard hairs. However, if you read their breed standards you will see that they MUST also have enough undercoat to provide support for the guardhairs which are to be harsh and stand-off from the body. The undercoat is always tighter and more dense than the guardhairs. That is the type of coat that insulates the dog against cold and heat. I don't know what the Belgian or Dutchie standards say about coat length and texture. I'm going to try to find out.

by Blitzen on 30 December 2007 - 00:12

Amen, Judy K. It is just not about personal likes and dislikes and that is the long and the short of it - pardon the pun LOL. Either a breeder adheres to the SV breed standard or he/she doesn't. No point in having a breed standard if everyone goes off helter skelter breeding their favorite dogs because they are cute, have nice personalities or are smart. I guess if there weren't already more GSD's than there are proper homes, it wouldn't bother me nearly as much as it does. I just don't see the need to breed from dogs that are not eligible for a Koer.

by chuckie on 31 December 2007 - 00:12

just my 2 cnts worth: my "regulation" coat GSD will, and has, slept out in a drizzling, nearly freezing rain with NO problem (and not b/c he *had* to--he just preferred it), and he works in below freezing weather with no problem other than getting warm enough to pant. sheds rain/snow/ice off his coat w/no problem (he may be part duck, IDK!!)

by Beaugsd on 31 December 2007 - 03:12

Well, had to weight in on this one.....you CANNOT CUT THE HAIR. I have a bitch with longish hair. Have been told by SV judges "not a long hair, but coat too long for me". When she blows coat she doesn't even look close to a long coat. But you have to wait until the 'special' time of the year. She is beutiful and people stop and ask me about her all the time. She has a normal coat on her back but fringey at the back of her hind legs and tail. Someday our ship will come in and then we will have the prettiest of them all... hehehe. Pat

by Beaugsd on 31 December 2007 - 04:12

After reading some of the posts regarding this subject I saw one that stuck out that the owners are embarrassed when the dog is excused. Well at the last show I went to, bascially to help support the club, knowing my dog was in full coat due to the weather, the judge talked to me and I took my dog out. I was not the least bit embarrassed. I would rather have the judge tell me he thought her hair was too long for his taste (he had a problem with long, wavy, etc. hair). than to have my dog excused because of the gun shot or aggression. I guess some of us will accept poor temperaments over longish hair. I guess I have seen it all over the years and don't get too upset over small things. So please don't get too upset if you dog is excused - remember "it is only a dog show'. More important things in life to get upset about.

by crhuerta on 31 December 2007 - 04:12

Pat, ACTUALLY.........the (2) shows referred to in my post were.....(1) BurOak--Carlos handled one for the owners,.....and (2) Greater Chicago a cfew years ago----Hans Peter R. dismissed the dog. BOTH times the owners were embarrased....because the dogs had been "groomed".

by crhuerta on 31 December 2007 - 05:12

In a perfect world..... All dogs would pass simple gun shot tests.....? All dogs would/could pass more than a BH........? All dogs would conform to "the standard"......? In a perfect world..... All breeders would have "breed" knowledge.......? All breeders would be ethical........? All breeders would "practice what they preach".....? ...and long stock coats could show in the AKC & SV Conformation Shows... But alas,....this is not a perfect world.

by Hailey on 04 January 2008 - 19:01

Well, I just finished reading all of these posts in reference to coated GSDs--very interesting. Nevertheless, I have a question for you guys. I recently acquired a pup who is quite possibly a coat--I knew this going in. She is bred to work and working is what I want to do with her. I have no desire to show her in conformation ( I wouldn't even if she turns out not to be coated.) But here's my question: Am I going to be ostracized on the schutzhund field for training with a coated dog? Are people made fun of or made to feel inferior because their dog is a coat? Breeding is not my thing, so I couldn't care less if she is coated. I just want a neat dog with the capacity to work. But, I don't want people talking behind their hands about what I will no doubt feel is an extraordinary dog (even if she isn't). Insecurity? Maybe. Silly? Probably. Just curious as to what others really think about coats aside from showing conformation or breeding. Thanks.

by sueincc on 04 January 2008 - 19:01

No, you should not be ostracized, made to feel inferior or made fun of on the schutzhund field. If you were to be treated that way by a club my suggestion would be to run away from them as fast as you can because any schutzhund club that would behave like that is not worthy of you and probably is a club full of shitters anyway. Anyone who is in the sport can tell you about great sport dogs with long stock & long coats. The coat has nothing to do with it - unless it came from a breeder who specifically breeds for long coats, in which case working ability along with everything else is sacrificed, so most of the dogs they turn out are probably shitters. Personally, I would be very surprised to hear of a club that behaved like that, I don't think you need to worry.

by Ulla on 04 January 2008 - 19:01

I have a two-year old long stock coated male from working lines. Like you, I got him as a puppy, knowing that he may turn out to be a coat, and, like you, got him because I was interested in his potential to work. He has turned out to be everything I wanted in a working dog and I have yet to hear any negative feedback from anyone in the Schutzhund community. He is exactly what you describe: "a neat dog with the capacity to work". If a dog can work, then I think anyone who actually trains/competes in Schutzhund will appreciate the dog for what he is, not what he looks like. Have fun with your new pup!!

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