2-2 Line/In breeding - Page 7

LOL, right here, folks, we see why we don't get anywhere in these discussions. Mackenzie doesn't believe me that AKC has NO RULES. When someone has extremely firm opinions with no experience and not even any knowledge about how things are in other circles, it's no wonder these discussion go off-track. Mackenzie, I assure you, AKC has NO RULES. I'm not making this up! It would behoove you to learn a little about that struggle here in the USA before you go name-calling. AKC is not a "parent club." AKC is merely a registry- that is, all they do is record the litters and hand out papers. I guess it's not technically correct to say they have NO rules, since they do require DNA on foreign-born dogs to get them registered, but as far as rules that may or may not affect the quality of the litters, NOPE. Not one. NO health tests, no restrictions, nothing.

I realize Mackenzie has no more to say since he/she isn't not satisfied with the number of participants in this thread and has made it clear those of us participating don't know anything, but still, as Cliff already spoke of, I have to say there is a major difference in the GOAL of the inbreeding of the 70's in showlines and a breeder who may do a close breeding for working purposes and to "see what they have" as I think we can all agree that tight inbreeding brings out faults. I think what they do from there on out is what should be judged, if anything. I notice Mackenzie would not answer any of my questions regarding who is selfish and why. I think learning that AKC really has zero rules threw him/her for a loop.

I have never done anything closer than a 2-3. But, I don't like to judge and name-call before I understand someone's purpose, experience, etc.

Reliya said

No. The AKC doesn't have any breeding rules besides "are the parents registered?"

You forgot the most important
Please enclose payment
Ñumber one requirement
I have seen AKC give registration to a ACA Amish bred shepherd,
I reported soomeone falsifying registration and was asked by akc
WHAT die I want them to do about it? /// Jenn does that mean once you understand my motives 'let the name calling begin'? As I said, I did lots and lots of research BEFORE I attempted that breeding.. My boy Duke is a gorgeous snowline male.

Who would not want to produce dogs like him. His father Kevin Murrtal has been responsible for several great snowline dogs, he has several VA1 dogs in his pedigree, I researched numerous dogs in that line.

   My eyes could see quite clearly at the time I did that breeding , the direction the show lines were going.

There was no way I was going to buy another snowline and chance an entire line litter like that and have another female that did not fit my program,

Me, unlike many breeders don't t rehome a dog that I can t breed

I have four distinctly different bloodlines, I have an entire breeding plan in effect for the next several years IF I stay breeding that long, I m not no spring chicken anymore and I will not bite off more than I can chew

I was pleased with what I got from that breeding, and yes , I was, and still am, willing to keep or take back any problem I make.

Put down the drink, Joni! No one was talking to you. Mackenzie said anyone not obeying the "rules" is "selfish."

Wow, talk about panning to find the nuggets here!

So - seeing how this litter is AKC with previously foreign lines, should I be able to verify DNA tests somewhere? And if so, did the registry require full panels (including DM, etc.)?

Thanks again to the serious responders.

And my vet is not concerned about this tight line breeding (remember HALF siblings, not full) considering previous generations appearing unrelated and also considering breeder's dogs from previous litters are currently being used as police K-9s, border patrol, titling in handling, obedience, and more, and apparently sound in body and nerve.

YaYa any imports registered with AKC must be DNA"d nothing more
I am sure you can verify those results thru them.
I am clueless how to read those tho
You probly good to go with that dog. Only time now will tell

Jenn
Just a little FYI ...i have not had a drink since my sister died some YEARS back,
I was just throwing out a little obviously non humorous humor

Really! Talk about hypocrisies and rudenesses! And, Joni has a right to comment on any thread regardless if she was addressed directly, or not. SMH

The concern is not always specific to the OP in threads as these. Only that certain casual breeders always have and always will cherry pick the idea and ignore the negatives.

YaYa x 4--

And my vet is not concerned about this tight line breeding (remember HALF siblings, not full) considering previous generations appearing unrelated and also considering breeder's dogs from previous litters are currently being used as police K-9s, border patrol, titling in handling, obedience, and more, and apparently sound in body and nerve.

Show us a pic of your new little cutie when you get him/her... we're all dying to see :-)

 

 

Let me help your comprehension, Beetree. I told Joni I wasn't talking to HER because she addressed me with regard to "name-calling" and asked if I would, once I understood her motives. I was (very clearly, I thought) specifically addressing MACKENZIE with regard to calling people "selfish" for disobeying the rules, when in fact, AKC has no rules. Apparently, I missed that Joni was joking about my last statement that I don't like to judge people before I know the motive and thought she thought I was calling her names, which I was not. Anyway...the clue in these threads is the poster's name in the statement, if you need a little hint. It would be even better if you would STOP trying to incite drama in every thread you visit! Can't you stay in the OT section if you don't have anything to say about dogs?

Yaya, unless a vet is also a breeder, I find many don't know much about breeding at all and have even given me some pretty bizarre breeding advice. You sound like you've got your mind made up on this puppy regardless, so I wish you the best of luck. The real challenge will likely come down the road, when you decide who to breed to, if you're intention is breeding at the time. Without knowing the exact pedigree, it's pretty hard to give you any more particular advice than has already been given. It's not a breeding I would likely do without a SUPER specific and really good reason, but the breeder may have both of those. If you trust the breeder, imo, that is the most important factor. With regard to DNA, I don't see why you would check on that stuff specifically- it should all be in order if the litter is AKC registered. Unfortunately, most DNA tests on foreign dogs aren't used for AKC reg and a new one is done. Trouble is, you could really send AKC any sample and how would they know? Another pitfall of our only FCI registry. This is another reason trust in your breeder is paramount. I would ask for results of the health tests that are pertinent to you. If the breeder doesn't DM test but that is a hot button issue for you, just ask them to test the pups that s/he thinks would be a good match for you. Offer to pay for it if you must ($35-$65 usually). Best wishes!!!

Nothing wrong with my comprehension. Joni didn't deserve your nasty remark implying her post was incoherent from alcohol abuse. And you can't tell me what to post, either. I will ask you politely to stop making up lies about why I post. Mac made it clear they don't want to be bothered with more discussion. Should be simple to honor their and my own stated desire... for most people. My what bully behavior!

Beetree you are walking a very short road so I suggest you slow down.

I don't think it is your job to come to anothers aid if they do not ask. In this case Joni is way more capable of taking care of herself than you are and so is Mac.

Stick to what pertains to you and the topic quit trying to be the thread police.