interesting article - Page 7

You believe in magic and I also believe in magic.

I came from God but you came from Rock.
Done.

Shtal :-)

Wow, so you finally concede!  Put the fork in, you're done.

zdog, they don't carbon date dinosaur bone fossils,
NOT because of C14 half life,
but because bone fossils are mineralised
AND THERE IS NO CARBON IN THEM.

Why would you worry about the half life of something that isnt there ?

Red Sable - speaking just for myself, NO.  I do not believe in ghosts, fairies or the Devil.
I read my horoscope occasionally in a spirit of FUN;  I jump during scary movies because
THEY ARE MADE TO GET AN AUDIENCE REACTION,  not 'cos I believe the content exists.

Here's the best part Shtal.  People are asking you to meet them on common ground and you refuse.  It's your way or no way and we're just supposed to take your word for it.  That's evil incarnate right there.  Stealer of souls, enslaver of bodies, when others are just asking for peace.

Take a good, hard look in the mirror Shtal and ask yourself which morals you're chosen.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false,
and by the ruler as useful." ~ Seneca the Younger

Shital, Here's a little back ground on your wise creation scientist. Source Wikipedia.

Education

In 1971 he graduated from East Peoria Community High School in East Peoria, Illinois. From 1972 to 1974, Hovind attended the non-accredited Midwestern Baptist College and received a Bachelor of Religious Education.[2] Patriot UniversityIn 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind was awarded a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from the non-accredited Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado (now Patriot Bible University in Del Norte, Colorado, which no longer offers this program).[7] Having a website called "Dr. Dino" has provoked some academics to look closely at how Hovind presents his education and credentials. Chemistry professor Karen Bartelt has said that it is "very unusual for a person with a Ph.D., even a real one, to list oneself in the phonebook as "Dr Hovind", as Hovind has done."[8] [emphasis in original]. Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy, expert on the history of creationism and activist in the creation-evolution controversy, wrote that Hovind's lack of academic training makes it impossible to engage him on a professional level.[9] Other critics of Hovind have pointed out that Patriot Bible University is a diploma mill, as it has unreasonably low graduation requirements, lack of sufficient faculty or educational standards, and a suspicious tuition scheme.[6][10] The school's current policies allow students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, and even "Doctor of Ministry" degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $25 per month. Currently Patriot offers a monthly fee, unlike most universities, which only charge per-credit fees.[11] Bartelt has stated that Hovind's doctoral dissertation is evidence of the poor requirements at Patriot and that Hovind lacks knowledge of basic science.[8] Bartelt noted that Hovind's dissertation is incomplete (it contains four chapters totaling 101 pages, but Hovind's introduction claims the work is 250 pages with 16 chapters), of low academic quality, with poor writing, poor spelling, and poor grammatical style. Bartelt asserts that pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not an original work with original ideas.[8] In the past, when questioned about his education and qualifications, Hovind has said his critics use ad hominem arguments,[7] and Patriot has issued similar comments.[12] In 2010, Patriot responded to Wikileaks' claim to have revealed Hovind's dissertation, writing that the Wikileaks file was not the "finished" product, but because they do not "retain ownership to student thesis’ [sic] or dissertations, as is commonly practiced by many schools", they "cannot release student work to the public".[13] Patriot will not send copies of Hovind's doctoral dissertation, which is unusual for an institution to do since dissertations are made available to the public.[8] As a general rule, doctoral dissertations are published by the associated university and made available to the public, so that other students conducting research in similar areas may use the information in the dissertation as a reference.[8] Bartelt wrote that the copy she viewed is on file at the National Center for Science Education (NCSE), but the organization cannot distribute it due to copyright restrictions.[8] The NCSE's copy was received from Skip Evans, who obtained Hovind's dissertation from Patriot with Hovind's permission in March 1999.[8]

I posted a link to his "dissertation" on page two of this thread.  I'm sure Shtal didn't read it though, he only posts pages and pages and pages of opened links, just so we don't miss a word!  LOL

Kent Hovind is the laughing stock of the science community, those people who work for years to earn degrees and continue their research throughout their lives.  Kent would rather build amusement parks and shovel in money from his duped audience, showing his idiocy and dishonesty in living color.

To answer RS's question. Have you ever seen the cartoon Tom and Jerry? If so do you ever remember when Tom is fixing to do something that he knows he's not supposed to? Well he has an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other. That's called a conscience. We all have one. I am spiritual and yes I believe in a Creator but he is not one who wants bad things to happen to us. Who wants wars and tells people to take their baby and kill it and split it in half or sacrifice anything. And yes I believe in spirits--I have had them visit me and I have talked to them. So what in the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Moons thank you for that link. You know I had thought something like that but then I thought well maybe it was just me. Glad to see it wasn't.

The rest of you guys thanks for all the comments. The guy that Shtal originally posted I have never heard of, I'm not deep into this to know all that. So thanks for educating me. I only read some of what he posted anyway cause it is all so long and drawn out and boring. And basically I know his mind well enough to know what in the heck the bottom line is going to be.

Shtal I think you need to go to a real sweat run by real natives and sweat some of that brainwashing out. You may be surprised that you will feel better and have more friends. Oops that is a saveges' religion.............