WUSV World Championships (RESULTS) - Page 7

Pack
At least now one believes what i originally said, it is not at all fair on the Dogs competing, The Judge should have noticed and asked him to be replaced,  But he did not then proceeded to Fail some Dogs and throw them out of the competition or take off points from which the Dog was not at fault
I stand by what i see on the two days i was there For if i am wrong then there was not ONE person watching that knew anything about how the Protection should be, and that is several1000.people
Steve1

The front half helper did what the judge told him to do. I'm not saying the angle was correct or not...I can't tell from a video...but I find it hard to blame the helper...one thing I did notice..The handlers were aware of the issue...you could tell by the way people were setting up there dogs for the escape....

It is not Judge Collins who instructed the helpers how to work, Oberrichter Diegel is responsible for that. He has both helpers selected on wednesday afternoon and to me it was clear that he has chosen both helpers for obvious reasons: these two helpers were able to perform over 4 days the protection work for 162 dogs according the guidelines of Diegel and nothing else. Judge Collins did a good job, but it should be noticed that his position on the field was rather poor the first 2 days, and in my opinion some dogs were given points too high - Satoris Gator, Javir Talka Marda - which proves the judge is only human.

There is al lot of commotion about these helpers (it's always the same story) that they were too fast, too slow, technical poor etc. etc. But in the 4 days I watched the protection work in Krefeld no dog was treatened different compared to the dogs which were used during the 'Probeschutzdienst' on Wednesday afternoon.

The lesson should be: if you are competing on these championships, be aware that protection work can very much differ from the protectionwork you are used to at home. Next year in Spain there will be good Spanisch helpers I think, the question will be: how will they do the job?

A helper is not going to change his style of how he works for anyone, If he does and if that did happen then the helper was out of his depth in the Escape,
Plus He was not strong enough that is the main thing the crowd was against, I do not know what you were looking at but at times he was pulled around like a raggy doll by some of the stronger dogs
Plus the Judge could have said to the one in charge that the Guy was not suitable but he evidently like yourself thought differently
So that makes a 1000 or more of us wrong who were watching so i guess we have to abide by what you and the Judge says for the others watching were wrong in what they saw
Steve1

Steve1,

I think the only thing is that you didn't see what you wanted to see. For me it is, like I said, very clear that both helpers showed the same work at the championships as the did on wednesday afternoon. On sunday there was only little critisism on the helpers from some competitors who scored below expectation and that is something I can imagine..

I heard the yelling from the crowd too, very sportsmanlike, I might add...

All dogs had to overcome the same problems, that's what I saw. And as far as I know, no dog has left the field cripple. Did the helpers give some dogs more or less (dis)advantage? If that is the case, it has surely become an issue on the evaluation afterwards and if not, well I think they will be back at other big trials in Germany.

The only thing I am interested in now is the comment of Diegel and the review of Lance Collins.

Soon in this theater.

As i said above you are correct and everyone else watching was wrong in what they saw
No more to be said about it i will not repeat myself three times
Steve1

I was not there, I can't even guess.. all I saw from the video is that this one helper can run fast, holy cow.

I will trial under Lance Collins again soon so I know where I am.. ready or not.. hehe. I know he will not BS me

pack

I thought that I would write a bit about the WUSV of this year.
Thing we saw and experienced and some personal comments.

We always try to go to the WUSV and arrive on the monday.
That way we're always in time for the practise of all countries in the stadium on Tuesday's and Wednesday's.
One thing different compared to a few years ago is that we do not see so many new training techniques in practise.

As you know all countries have 5 minutes per dog that you are allowed in the stadium.
So if you are alone you have 5 minutes to practise OB and Protection.
Most of the countries entered with 5 teams so an average of 25 minutes to practise.

There were two teams, one of them Brasil, who were sent of the field during practise as the were over the limit.
Now that seems okay BUT Spain was on the field for almost an hour......
An not forget Germany that had more time then others.
So no Swiss timing there.

After the last team did their routine, the helper try-outs were done.
As usual the préselection ended with 4 helpers that did short and long work with one dog.
To be honest...... no helper was worthy of WUSV level in the try-out.
So the first discussion had started.....
The helpers that were chosen started the second discussion.
The helper on the first part was a fast helper and people were saying that he was chosen because he also did the BSP and therefore Germany had an advantage.

Looking back over the 4 days of trialling I must say that the helper on the first part did almost eveydog the same way.
The escapebite was fast as was the re-attack.
The backtransport and attack was the same for all dogs.
One remark you can place is that when the German dogs did the escapebite, the helper didn't move his arm as much as with other dogs.

The escapebite is an excersise where through the years the meaning of that excersise is put more and more into practise at the WUSV.
The purpose of the excersie is that the dog STOPS the helper.
How the dog does that is becoming less important.
So no matter what direction the helper runs to and no matter in direction the dog is put into a down, the dog NEEDS to stop the helpere EVEN if it's with two teeth in the sleeve!!
If a dog did that, you got your full points, if not, you lost points.
One thing that strikes me now for a couple of years is that handlers that do bitework the second, third or fourth day, still put their dog in a wrong position for the escapebite KNOWING that the helper is fast and always runs in the same direction.

The helper on the second half was a big mess.
He was all over the field.
And you would think he could not catch a dog but that wasn't true because with some dogs he showed some nice catching but the majority of the dogs were not caught properly.

The judge on the bitework really focussed on the will of the dog to engage the helper whenever where-ever.
He walked behind the handler with the backtransport and could see and hear the dog attack.
The only dog that crushed the arm the judge wanted it to be was Mexico (100 points).

The blindsearch that was expected was one where the dog WANTED to go to the blinds and had to search EVERY blind.
The hold and bark had to be one where the dog showed dominance over the helper.
So not just a dog that came in the blind and began to bark in a "preydrive" way.
Overall I think that he did a fair job in judging and there is no WUSV where a judge or helper leaves the field without being "booeed" once or more times......
When you are there, you will find out after a few dogs, or one day, how the judge judges and what he wants to see.
When you know that, you know what to expect t

the rest of the WUSV.
And of course one always must remember that you do see it differently when you on the field compared to sitting on the stands.....

So "points of action to work on during training":
- Blindsearch --> fast but also looking into the blinds
- Hold and bark --> aggression from dog over helper (this also is very desireable in the whole work - Drivechange between prey and aggression after the out-phases)

One thing that has bothered me for years is the correctness of the handler AFTER the routine.
Dogs get to bite the leash and start a fight or play with it....
When the judge is doing his speech they are not interested or even stand with their hands in the pockets.....
The dog is all over the place.............
Imo, the handler should work correct untill he leaves the field.

Russia..... there was a handler that was disqualified due to the fact that the dog didn't out. Of course he got a big applause but the way the dog was NOT in control makes you wonder if it was so bad that he didn't out.......

In training, the team out of Sweden showed the blind search the way it should be plus a hold and bark as it should be. In the trial itself, they didn't show it that way which was a shame.

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In Obedience, for me, this was the WUSV where the big difference was seen between toptraining and goodtraining.
In practice you could see the difference already and during the trial too.
Some dogs where shown in a superb way.
Other dogs did what was expected and nothing more.
Good temperement but one thing that struck us during training was the bad jumping of the dogs over the 1 meter.
Reason?????
The good jumping is a problem.
The owner of Jimbeam Talka Marda is a judge and he already reported this (bad jumping) last year after judging the BSP.

A much heard discussion is the one of the level of handling of some countries.
Over the years, with the dividing of big countries into small ones, we get more countries thus more handlers on the WUSV.
A lot of these countries do just not have the experience they need to trial at such a big event.
Also often they have bought dogs out of countries where handlers have sold them because the do not meet that high level.
So, for me, you (as spectator) should judge them in different way and hope it gets better throught the years.
I remember when the Japanese came the first times...... they didn't even know the program.....
On the other hand, it still is unbelievable that England (United Kingdom) every year fail to show at a high level or even get better through the years....
One other thing that we heard several times was that people noticed that the judge in OB noticed everything.....DUH.....
Too often, the judging (or judge) is used as an excuse for bad training.... (and even bad handling)

So "points of action to work on during training":
- Attention --> Focus to the handler and healing in a straight way / teach the dog to walk backwards
- Jumping --> Teaching the dog to jump in a correct way (BTW Michaela Knoche with Javir takes 8 pases from the 1 meter as distance for Javir to jump / she even trains it that way when she for instance sits Javir at one side of the 1 meter and let him jump back towards the other side where she stands)

Tracking..... we didn't see any tracking this year.
From what I've heard, the tracks were small --> about 250 - 300 passes.....
Now, even if it's not WUSV / or programwise worthy, one also must take into account that organising such a big event with round about 160 (!!!) dogs is getting more difficult (to find trackingfields) every year.