Dog Behaviorists - Page 6

Knowing says it all......:)

In your defense I guess I should admit, I had to acquire licenses along the way, bonds insurance etc.  papers.

My line of work requires the same, except you can't get the licenses I have without a Bachelors degree and soon a graduate degree will be the new minimum for younger folks graduating past a certain date.  So, as you admit, sorry to say, its the same thing.

Also, should your old partner be inclined, he meets the Department of the Interiors minimum education standards to work on Historic Preservation project, while you would not.  It doesn't mean he a better tradesmen than you, but if he does have the same licenses, etc, that you have, he can pursue certain project with a larger scope and fee, using YOU as the sub.  

Thats my point about formal education today. 

Its relevant. 

It matters.

I´m in the lucky case to be surrounded by Schutzhund clubs. during the decades I´ve seen a lot of people doing their first steps in Schutzhund/IPO.
With some guidance and a "normal" dog almost everybody is able to title the dog in question, but there are differences...
Some people "learn" , but some people "know", and most of the "knowing" people can´t even explain WHY things work like they want them to work.
These people do have "the feeling", they are able to work every dog, they always have success within the possibilities of said dog.
The "learning" people are not able to recognize different temperaments, they always need help - difficult to explain.
I really think it´s a gift, you are not able to learn this "feeling".
And it really doesn´t matter, if we are talking about IPO, agility, or a pet dog, it´s always the same - either you "know" or you will never "know".

An academic degree might be a good tool for marketing, but won´t help, if you don´t have the "feeling".
 

Actually momo, I did work on a historic restoration, with one of the last masters in his field, last of his kind, last in the nation, a spindle carver.
I don't know if federal moneys were involved but the foundation was looking for the best in a very specific field and that was that.

Do you have any idea how many people holding degrees today cannot find work in their chosen field?
I don't know your line of work, but I agree with part of your assessment in regards to some business activities.

Matters is proprietary.

 

An academic degree might be a good tool for marketing, but won´t help, if you don´t have the "feeling".

Everybody here keeps saying "marketing" or "publicity". Its a lot more than that if you want to work at certain institutions.  I never said a good "gut instinct" dog trainer can't survive or make a good living, or be successful in sport, without formal education, they certainly can.  But at the same time these folks think they can stop bad legislation or refute published research simply because they have been "doin' this dog thing for a long time".  The world we live in won't accept that on ANY "official level" and its unfortunate, but if you want to play in this "sandbox" you need the same minimum credentials as everyone else in the sandbox, even if only for the sole reason, of being able to speak in the same academic language as your adversary.
 

Actually momo, I did work on a historic restoration, with one of the last masters in his field, last of his kind, last in the nation, a spindle carver.
I don't know if federal moneys were involved but the foundation was looking for the best in a very specific field and that was that.

Not to knock your work, but its sounds like he was a sub and you were working under him.  The guy who got the contract likely had those pesky minimum academic qualifications however AND the lions share of the fee too. 

Momo, nothing to say against any degrees, these kinds of degrees often are able to open doors, but I don´t believe that people are able to "learn" being a behaviorist.
This was Fawn´s original question:
Are dog behaviorists the real thing or just a bunch of smoke?  Either opinion, please support. 
What makes them a dog behaviorists (experience, academics, )? 
If you are a dog behaviorist, what makes you so (if you would prefer to PM, that is ok)

I was his apprentice, and he was an uneducated self made man who at one time owned and operated his own rather large furniture factory.
No he was not a subcontractor, but was a leader in the community and owned several of the historic homes in that district of the city.
Not that it matters but a very talented,wealthy, respected man.

I doubt anyone ever asked to see his degree.
 

Moons.

I couldn't find Jerry eating the dog food....LOL

You wanna play in my sandbox, you better have a youtube video.....hehehehehe

This was Fawn´s original question:

What makes them a dog behaviorists (experience, academics, )?

I was only trying to answer the second question, which I thought I did.
 

No he was not a subcontractor, but was a leader in the community and owned several of the historic homes in that district of the city.

Federal projects and some cites or counties require a graduate degree to consult on historic preservation projects.  Its not universal and depends on the jurisdiction.