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by zdog on 02 October 2009 - 22:10
you do not have a clue about the sport of Schutzund, Complete ingnorance on your part The dog could not control its nerves, Going into the blind is not to ATTACK it is too GUARD so it shows how little you know No more to be said on this for i cannot put up with silly people like you,
Steve
What? yeah the dog is supposed to guard, till it is threatened. I think a hand coming to knock it upside the head constitutes a threat and the dog responded appropriately. There was no nerve issue shown in that video. the only ones who's actions were questionable were the decoy and handler.
by bullfrog on 02 October 2009 - 22:10
by bullfrog on 02 October 2009 - 22:10
by Prager on 03 October 2009 - 02:10
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by michael49 on 03 October 2009 - 02:10
by Prager on 03 October 2009 - 03:10
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by olskoolgsds on 03 October 2009 - 04:10
I must respectfully disagree with Steve1 and the rest that took the position that the dog is nervy. Not saying he is totally solid, but this is not what I saw in the vid. I have not read most of the posts but have read enough to hear both sides. When I saw the video the first thing I thought was "good boy" bite his ass off if he goes for your head to hurt you. Not knowing this dog and how he normally does, but the last thing I want is a dog that is sleeve happy. If I send a dog on someone (not talking Schutzhund) and they proceed to take a club to his head, I want him to take that as an invitation to bite the hand with the club or the best next place. When I used to train ppds I wanted the dog to take a good bite on the arm. (preferably much higher) but if he is concerned about being struck in the head all bets are off. He is in a fight. (biting to low on arm/hand gives the bad guy more leverage and opportunity to hurt the dog). If the dog was hit in the head I wanted him to bite where the threat was coming from. This dog may have been premature in going after the other hand, but I gave him an "A" for hurting him, taking the fight to him.
If I am dumb enough, (and I have been too many times to count) to put that unprotected arm out there in an aggressive manner, before I can read this guy and know what he is about, then it is on me. There is for me a difference between a dog letting go of a sleeve because he is not solid and a dog letting go to take a real bite. I have a pair of 501 Levis that I keep as a reminder to not let my guard down. A dog was outing, handler was not watching, I was slack/lazy and let my guard down. The closest thing to the dogs head was my crotch. He completey ripped my pants apart. Many mistakes on my part. It is easy to get cocky. I remember the feel of his snout on my upper inside thigh. The mistakes on the dogs part were minimal, just did not respect the handlers out. We worked on control but I loved this dog cause he was serious as a heart attack. Bob, just wanted to comment on the statement that any dog can put his teeth on flesh. This has not been my experience, even with some K-9s. Some have it and some are not willing to make that crossover and break the cardinal sin that has been put into their heads since man adopted dogs as his buddy and helper. I always like to see what a pup will do and let them know it is ok to put there teeth on flesh. Just my 2 cents worth.
by PowerHaus on 03 October 2009 - 05:10
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by steve1 on 03 October 2009 - 06:10
Training a dog for the ScH sport is the responsibility of the handler, So you guys tell me this
You have a team from the USA which has at great expense gone over to Germany to compete in the WUSV
Now let us say that the Dog goes around the Blinds, 5 in total and heads for the Sixth one where the Decoy or Pakwerker or Helper is call him what you want, but there is one in the blind or hide waiting for the dog to appear
He will be expecting that Dog to Guard him in other words Bark continually and Not even make an attempt to go for the sleeve, That is what is expected of a well trained adjusted Dog with steady nerves
Now let us say one of the USA team Dogs comes to the last blind or hide to see the Pakwerker or Decoy in there and attacks him
Are you Guys going to say what a great dog he is, according to the posts here YES you are, and say what a great dog he is, but he will be thrown out in disgrace thats for sure but i do not think that will ever arise these guys which reach that level are proud of what they do and there dogs and that applies to ever country there
Now remember the Handler of this dog will be standing some 20 meters away from the dog at this time until the judge is satisfied with the Dogs barking and guarding he will then signal for the handler to come forward. The handler will come to the hide or blind and stand two meters away the judge will raise his hand and the handler will say Herrr Voot, the Dog should immediately leave the Decoy and sit at the side of the Helper
Now we go back to the Dog in the Video, That was the intention of the handler in this case, But the Dog could not control its self and it attacked the decoy but it was not supposed to, it was supposed to bark and guard not attack and the cause was two things the Dog was not trained well enough and its nerves got the better of it,
I hope the handler will learn a lesson you keep a dog on a long line when teaching it to bark and guard a decoy you do not allow it to lunge forwards to grab the sleeve at any time whist on a line, this dog was not ready But overall it was bad training that caused it, but i still think the dog is not reliable regards its temperament
I am saying no more on this thread i have explained it well enough and those of you who do ScH training will know what i say is correct
Steve
by 4pack on 03 October 2009 - 11:10
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