Illinois Residents- House Bill 198- Breeders - Page 6

I had to add on, here....

After they regulate how many dogs you can breed, what's next?  Will it be the number of cars you're allowed to have, the required number of square feet per human in your home, or maybe the number of children you are allowed to have?  I hate to tell those of you on here who support this, that if you continually give away your rights, and let the government do for you, then you are UNAMERICAN. 

I don't mean to sound insulting, but the whole reason we fought England for our freedom, some two hundred years ago, was because we DIDN'T want a government to control every move we made.  If we'd wanted that, we'd have stayed where we were.

It may be the breeder's rights today, but what's next?  I ask you to consider that. 

As far as all the dogs in the county shelters and ASPCA shelters, etc, maybe all those people sitting in prisons and jails should be put to work training dogs in shelters for adoption.  That idea was implemented in Maricopa County, Arizona, and it saves a fortune for the county. 

Also, if breeders around the country ceased breeding any dogs at all, and all people got their pet dogs from shelters, it would only take a decade before the majority of dogs in the USA were extinct.  Dogs from shelters are spayed or neutered, and without breeders, we won't have any dogs at all.  And this would be a pretty lonely place, indeed.  Maybe the vets should figure out how to spay earlier, and maybe breeders would have the choice of making sure that pups going to pet homes were spayed (paid for out of the purchase price) before they left?  Just an idea, but that's a hell of a lot better than regulating dog breeding into non-existence.  That way, it puts the ball in the breeder's court, and it's not left up to the person buying the dog, who may or may not give a damn about a litter of pups once or twice a year.

Government doesn't have the right to barge onto private property, belonging to sovereign citizens of this country, and tell them how to live their lives.  If you ask me, we've got a hundred times as many laws as we need.  I say bring back the laws we had before.  If car thieves were hanged, and real criminals paid real prices for their crimes, government might think twice about enacting unlawful laws.  JMHO.

Crys

UNAMERICAN ... thank you very much. Lovely thought for the night.

"When the devil reminds you of your past, remind him of his future."

Wow, great post Bucks. Seriously.

I agree, outstanding points, and exactly why this bill has me enfuriated.

When the government gets more control, you have less.  Every single one of these bills are designed to strip away our rights, step by step.  They all APPEAR good, helpful, aimed at the bad guys, but they get their foot in the door.  They are all started by animal activist groups that lack in common sense and could less about anyones rights to be a responsible breeder.  These are the people that do not have a clue as to how to have a healthy, obedient, useful dog.
Let them get their foot in the door if you will, but remember how it all started when you cannot find a good dog in the future.

" I think the government should govern breeding - period! "  Good, then they can tell some of the idiot people out there that they cannot have children!  Government should have nothing to do with breeding, and if you think they should perhaps you should move to another country where they do.

As far as puppy mills go... ban petshops from selling puppies.  If the petshops do not sell puppies, then there is no market for these mass produced pups and therefore no profit for the puppy mills.  They will cease to exist.

"Maybe the vets should figure out how to spay earlier"  While this seems like a good solution, I have worked in the veterinary field for the past 12 years and I'm very against the early spay/neuters.  Yes, I understand that this ensures no oops litters, or stupid people breeding, but I think it is not in the best interest of the growing animal.  The animals do not have a chance to mature properly and this can lead to more orthopedic problems and puts them at higher risk for osteosarcoma, and many female dogs end up with urinary incontinence problems for their entire life.

You're right, these bills start from animal activist groups.  And if you think they have real animal welfare in mind, keep this in mind:

Dr. Michael Fox, involved heavily in all that crap, said "The life of an ant and the life of my child should be given equal consideration."

It has long been the view of some of the more weird groups of which PETA is one, that the keeping of animals for food constitutes plain murder, and that the keeping of pets is slavery.  The use of dogs in police and military activities must be even worse.

Scary that these people equate the lives of insects to their own children....

Crys

shepherdmom, I understand what you were saying about the early spay/neuters.  It's too bad that breeders can't keep the dogs until they're old enough to do it safely...Of course, I've seen some folks whose opinions are that not ever have the animal sterilized is the way to go, and while I agree, that does, at least with female dogs, represent quite a challenge while she's in season.

My grown stepson has a Malamute dog that he got from a very nice breeder, and he's considering breeding her when she's old enough.  I keep working on him, telling him that he doesn't know enough about the breed, the bloodlines, etc, and shouldn't breed just to do so, that it's irresponsible.  I hope he's listening, but in the end, it's his dog.  I know he paid a lot for her, but there's no reason to produce puppies if you don't need to.:-)

I think it comes down to being responsible with our rights, as I try and teach my kids, they have a right to free speech, they have the responsibilty to treat the person they are speaking to with respect.  When American's behave irresposiblly (alibeit its normally a minority) rights are taken away from all.

The more irresponsible the govenment sees us acting, the more laws are passed to protect the consumer from himself.  In this case, mills produce bad puppies that people pay too much money for they do not become responsible dog owners, and dogs wind up in shelters that are funded by, the government.  Nip the sources of that drain by limiting breeders, not and not educating the consumer.  They can't fully control the consumer, so they go for the provider, the person making the money. 

Have fun with your FREEDOM now, because by the time the Liberals, and  the  rest of stooges are done, our freedom will be gone as we know it, starting with our Radio Stations and whom they can silence FIRST, if you do not agree with them. This is just the beginning!

I did not vote for any of these people!

Me, either, Dawn, but unfortunately, dogs aren't the only ones suffering from poor breeding:-)  Too many Americans in this country have gone from brave, strong, self-governing people to a people willing to sit on the couch and let the government tell them how life should be lived, in only a little over two hundred years.  (NOTE;  I'm not talking about ALL Americans.  I know there are a lot of good, brave, intelligent, hardworking people out there who will take offense to my statements, and I'm sorry that you do.  Take a step back and watch the laws going into effect every day and tell me different.)

Laws are made by politicians, and they are owned by those who pay  their way into office.  Unfortunately, the stuff that runs downhill hits the just and the unjust alike, and if we are to have any say in what hits us, then I'd say we all need to stand up and remind those politicians that although the special interest (PETA and other creepy cult groups) pay their way into office, there are a whole lot more normal people out here than nuts.  And even though they've forgotten it, they answer to all of us.  Fight this law.  Fight it with everything you have, with letters, calls, emails, and visits to their offices. 

There's another thread on here regarding stolen dogs being hoarded, for lack of a better term, and not being able to get them back.  Let me remind you that as with all laws, when laws go into effect, the only ones affected by them are the law-abiding citizens like the good people on this board.  Criminals, who would steal dogs (or anything else for that matter), won't care, because they don't abide by the laws already in effect. JMHO.

Crys