2010 USA Sieger Show, Lake Geneva WI. - Page 51

"PASS THE POPCORN !

I like Winners -- not Whiners -- WINNERS ! Why can't some of you "Yahoos" get over your envy or "pull that hair out of your ass? Is it because deep down you know that you will never reach that Level of Competition / very slim chance that you will ever have a high rated V dog / and will NEVER have a VA rated dog ?

Just be happy for those that participated, those that rated well, and those that won. You guys/gals are all "bent out of shape" because of the "split" in the Club; then you start looking for a target to go after. Do you realize how stupid and petty you sound in your posts. Color Shampoo / Tails / now Dog Aggression and bad Judges. Your attitude and behavior is EXACTLY why you will never go to the top with your dog."

-I won't celebrate winners that don't deserve their win, by the rules. The complaints posted about the VA1 male winning when he shouldn't have been permitted to enter or remain in the ring have merit. He should've been excused. Whether he structurally or otherwise was the superior dog that day has no bearing at that point. Opinions aside, facts are facts, he never should've been permitted to remain in competition.

On a side note, is it true that Julie flew the judge in herself, perhaps encouraging an outcome of this show? I had no idea that was permitted if so. And is it true that Johannas has his hand in ownership of Yaro, the VA2 dog, just not on his pedigree?

I've read quite a few things that could be interpreted as jealousy, but I think it's perhaps, for the most part, simply poorly written dialogue. Many of those that have posted I  don't believe would be jealous of a dog, especially one that was bred here in the United States, taking VA1 if it was an honest win. That would certainly be celebrated if that were the case! Not drama being posted up on a public forum from people that were present and witnessed said activities.

 I heard too that Johannes had an interest in a dog that went shortly before the Siegershow to a show in KY where the dog went V1 ahead of a dog that had already achieved VA.  I wonder if this was the same dog.

I just do not understand why so many good GSD people supported this Siegershow.  It was from the beginning a farce where the judge was responsible for implementing the JA amendment.  It should have categorically been boycotted.  

How stupid do you have to be to throw money after something that is already Kaputt?

I like to cut my losses.  Mr. Johannes is not the same as showing under an SV judge.  Why put yourself through such a torment?  Who cares if a dog went VA under this judge?  Not me.  

This is not to slight the hard work of all the idealistic people that went and showed and succeeded here.  But come on, is Johannes the same as showing under Ruediger Mai?  Do you see obtaining a VA under Grewe equal to that of Judge Mai?  All of you should have enough experience to know that it is not.

The Siegershow was a failure and it cost many people lots of money to participate in a farce.  I would never think for a minute that Judge Grewe is an equal to a top SV Judge and Koermeister.  

Maren Friedhoff (Still UScA Member)

Maren, I appreciate your honesty and obvious passion.  Question for you, what do you feel is the best step to "take back" USA?  You mention a boycott, but you must know that if a show is boycotted, then a certain element will say "oh, if I enter I will win now!" and so they will enter to get "titles".  So, instead of a boycott, what do you see as the best way to get USA back on track?  (Since you are still a member)

 

 

 

 All the true enthusiasts of this breed in the USA should have seen this coming and should have categorically boycotted Johannes Grewe as judge.  He was afterall responsible for the JA.  That is how I see it.  How can you possibly support him by showing your dog to him?  I don't understand it.  Not for one moment.  

And yes, you will get those kennels that were thrown out of the WDA for infractions to participate.  Well, let them get their VA placements.

It was a farce from the get-go.  That is how I see it.  The corrupt, corrupt.  But sometimes you must stand up for something you believe in and participating in this event was a great sign of weakness in backbone of those that really care to see some progression in the GSD Community.

That is how I see things today.  Maren

Right on Beaugsd!
Dawn B.

Thanks Maren, but can you give us specifics as to what TO DO? 

Boycotting JG as a judge is fine, but again, those who are "in with him" will still hire him.   So, it will help, but it seems there is more that can be done. Just wondered if you had any ideas.

USA was 'taken back' by the general membership before, back in the mid-90's, and it can be done again if there's truly a will to do so.   If I recall correctly, it was accomplished by a LOT of communication (via email and telephone) between the grass-roots level members who were sick of what the Meloy reign had wrought,  and a successful movement to have every single USA full-member club represented by a delegate at all of the meetings--something Dog1 has brought up in this venue.  The 'revolutionaries' also weren't broadcasting their plans and strategies on Internet message boards for the ruling opposition to read and prepare a defense against...the fact is that the group must be as clandestine as their foe in order to mount a successful coup.   I still have a copy of the protocol used by USA--I think it's Robert's Rules of Order?--that I purchased during that mid-90's effort so we could all understand exactly what standards we had to meet and what protocols we had to observe in order to be able to be heard and have an effect on the way things turned out.  I'd be glad to bequeth it to anyone who wants it for a renewed effort.

I'm not a member any longer, because the nearest club to me is 3.5-4 hours from here (one way) and their training days don't mesh with my work schedule...and since my membership dues gets me nothing more than the magazine unless I belong to a fully recognized USA club in addition to USA, I found other ways to spend my money (breed rescues have benefited nicely).  But I am a big proponent of fairness and following rules, and of changing rules if they aren't a good fit but doing so officially and honestly, so I still take an interest in seeing USA set to rights again so there's a level playing field for EVERYBODY.

Here's an article that may be relevent.

http://leerburg.com/usafuture.htm

USA uses "Sturgis Standard Code of Parliamentary Procedures" and not Roberts. Sturgis is only used when parliamentary situations are not covered in the law, constitution and bylaws, or adopted
rules.

You're right, Dog1--I knew Robert's didn't sound right, but I wasn't in my home office when I posted so I couldn't check the title.  My offer still stands to donate this book to an effort to reclaim USA.  The edition I have is the third edition; the  fourth edition has been released since then, but the revisions can be found at this URL:  www.aipparl.org/chngTSC.htm

UScA is dead.