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i think all depends on personal approach
breeder, who doing it as permanent job can be either bad or good.
it's depends on goal - quantity to sell more to earn more or quantity to have more choice in selection for continuity of quality of their program.
same apply to hobby breeders. one may be concerned about quality, when another sees breeding as supplement to an income.

i guess more impact would be, if all pups could be sold only with limited registration and following change if grown dog proved to be breed worthy. but seems breeders don't like that, because limited registration means lower should be asked price.

Valk, about the limited registration thingy....I won't buy a pup or dog with limited, no matter if I plan to breed it or not. I just will not buy with stri gs attached. I buy the pup, I want to OWN the entire pup, full registration and all.
So, I would be a hypocrite if I did not give the same to buyers of my pups. Has nothing to do with money.

Besides, anyone bent on breeding a dog can get ckc registration....or sell pups with no registration!

 

The whole dog market in the US is overpriced ( and some overhyped)if I compare this  with breeders and prices from my own country

GSD puppy here quality kennel and bloodlines with quality bloodlines between 600 -800 €

Malinois FCI quality kennel and bloodlines between 600 and 800 €

X KNPV not FCI puppies between 300 and 400 €

( and I will not even talk about that crazy prices about home protection guard dogs ,even suitable as police dogs etc etc etc with sport sleeve scenarios  videos over here)


Names are good for paper but quarentee you nothing even the health issues.... dogs are not Robots,....

but ,,,,, if you suck as a handler you will never get evertything out of the potential from your dog even if you have the best bloodlines and famous kennel in names in your puppy

There are more quality dogs than quallity handlers in the world even on this board some people better can train some dogs than whole day blah,blah,blah with a lot of nonsense. Training dog is not on the www and complain iit on bloodlines and breeders only,
look in the mirror and be critical on your own.

A good quality handler can train every breed and dog, but NO quality handler /trainer will always suck ... not only the dog must have some talents/ genetics also the handler.and if you suck as handler you will also suck as a breeder or www trainer  and there are many breeders on this board.!!!!! ( Will not making friends here I don,t care)  have a nice day.
 

 

I will not buy dog on limited registration nor did I ever sell one on those terms.... most of Europe doesn’t do this either.

That is 3-4 times less expensive than dogs in North America, not including shipping. The problem is, often, they send their less quality pups over here and keep their best pups for their breeding programs and themselves or training friends. I recently heard of someone paying $100,000 for an adult GSD for PP in the U.S. I saw the dog being trained for the owner and the dog was good, but nothing that special and no dog is worth $100,000. But as the saying goes, "Something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it."

Well exactly, Apple. The higher figures are nothing like what is charged for a puppy over here in the UK either, but every so often, we hear about some enormous figure paid for a particular dog; however, that would normally be a proven adult. But as you so wisely say, if someone with the money to spend has it available, and they really want that dog for whatever reason, they will find it.

Anyone ever consider, that someone spending $100,000 for a dog could be money laundering scheme ?

Many dog sellers are worse krooks than horse traders.
They make a deal to " sell " a protection dog for a " business" is a write off....the money goes back to buyer in the way of cash to the " buyer" and the " seller" gets a cut...enough to cover his taxes for fake profit p!us a little extra pocket money.

Hans:
"Interesting,....So that I understand; are you insinuating that people who breed dogs for living produce and sell lower quality and people who do not sell for living produce high quality?"

I am "insinuating" that people who make their living out of dogs "only" need to make money out of those dogs.
In case these people are well versed, knowledgeable, and HONEST breeders not necessarily a problem, but monthly bills have to be paid...no matter the quality...

A so called "hobby breeder" is able to pay the bills without the need of selling dogs.

So the "hobby breeder" is able to make a price according to the worth of a dog, but the full time breeder???

This whole discussion is pretty strange for me - no breeder breeding according to German SV rules (training, titling, health testing, all the expensive paperwork) is able to make a living out of the sale of puppies - studdogs, high IPO competitors, high rated showlines, that's money...but puppies?

They have to proof that they are worth any money when they are adults...

Susie makes a good point. I hear it all the time, breeders starts off with a passion for the breed, then becomes a hobby breeder, then a "commercial kennel" and relies on their profit form selling dogs to make a living. Soon after you usually start hearing of bad quality, neglect, and even abuse. They start with good intentions but when they fall on hard times most people will do anything to survive, usually the easier thing is not the right thing and their dogs suffer. Not saying all but most will lower their standards to pay the bills.
Most of the breeders I know personally that make a living off of dogs get most of their income from training and/or boarding, selling dogs and puppies is secondary.

I think I said it before, I don't put strings on my payment and I would not accept strings on my purchase, well past any good breeder wanting to verify home the dog is going to.

breeders wanting to sell and still keep control? getting into the flake zone here and way too many good dogs to have to go there.

Rik