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by Ruger1 on 12 August 2010 - 13:08
by Ruger1 on 12 August 2010 - 14:08
Shadylady...The Shutzhund trainer took the dog....the behaviorist person told me to move the cage.....
by Phil Behun on 12 August 2010 - 15:08
In order to fix the problem, it must be defined. The problem "Ruger1" is having is aggression towards strangers when "she" is handling "her" dog. In the hands of a "stranger", in this case the "supposed trainer", the dog will not act or react the same way it does with it's owner, or pack member. The only person that can fix this problem is "RUGER1". People can coach her and help her but the bottom line is, in order to respect "Ruger1", the dog has to be led by "Ruger1".
Most part time "trainers" have HUGE egos and love to tell you how to fix your problems. First thing you should observe is, how does this person's dog work? What is their resume? Have they experienced the same problem I am having? Were they able to fix it? Then realize that just because someone's dog works well for them, does not mean that alot of it was not just the dog. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Is this person offering to help able to assist, and make progress with the variety of dogs and people in the group? Remember, certain subtle changes can be made with your handling skills but you can't train (even if you wanted to) like other people train. If one person or one person's style of training were the only way, that style or that person would win every competition every year. Not that simple.
In conclusion, "you" need to fix the problem. Others can assist and offer suggestions, but the leadership needs to come from you. Do you fully understand the principal and application of the muzzle?
Most part time "trainers" have HUGE egos and love to tell you how to fix your problems. First thing you should observe is, how does this person's dog work? What is their resume? Have they experienced the same problem I am having? Were they able to fix it? Then realize that just because someone's dog works well for them, does not mean that alot of it was not just the dog. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Is this person offering to help able to assist, and make progress with the variety of dogs and people in the group? Remember, certain subtle changes can be made with your handling skills but you can't train (even if you wanted to) like other people train. If one person or one person's style of training were the only way, that style or that person would win every competition every year. Not that simple.
In conclusion, "you" need to fix the problem. Others can assist and offer suggestions, but the leadership needs to come from you. Do you fully understand the principal and application of the muzzle?
by zdog on 12 August 2010 - 16:08
yes, we all know it's having issues with Ruger, that's what this trainer just found out by simply taking the leash and walking with the dog.
you don't fix this or define this problem before you look at the dog and see how it reacts in different situations. So what was the big deal? The trainer may very well be an idiot, but by simply taking the leash and seeing how the dog reacted when she had it seems like a pretty simple and early step to take in defining and fixing the problem and to me is not at all indicitive of the type of trainer they may be. But everyone is in such a rush to judge the ego thing is pretty evident, just in this thread.
you don't fix this or define this problem before you look at the dog and see how it reacts in different situations. So what was the big deal? The trainer may very well be an idiot, but by simply taking the leash and seeing how the dog reacted when she had it seems like a pretty simple and early step to take in defining and fixing the problem and to me is not at all indicitive of the type of trainer they may be. But everyone is in such a rush to judge the ego thing is pretty evident, just in this thread.
by MAINLYMAX on 12 August 2010 - 17:08
Zdog,
I think trainer ego is always an issue, but a good trainer with years in training,
won't jump to conclusions. They will look at the breeding and most of all the maturity
of the dog. To many trainers take credit for things that were resolved by the
dog simply growing up. The owners must have their dogs respect, this we can all
agree on. The one thing Phil brings on very strongly is he speaks from experience,
having been there done that. And I believe he has saught out help along the way,
even Dr Reisner. So trainer ego is always an issue.
I think trainer ego is always an issue, but a good trainer with years in training,
won't jump to conclusions. They will look at the breeding and most of all the maturity
of the dog. To many trainers take credit for things that were resolved by the
dog simply growing up. The owners must have their dogs respect, this we can all
agree on. The one thing Phil brings on very strongly is he speaks from experience,
having been there done that. And I believe he has saught out help along the way,
even Dr Reisner. So trainer ego is always an issue.
by MAINLYMAX on 13 August 2010 - 15:08
R1,
Seeking alpha with your dog is a process that goes along with
the training. Gaining confidence comes in time, but will seem overwhelming
in the beginning. Nobody has really compiled a good start to finish video
series, so you may have to patch together something on your own.
In the beginning everybody uses video, not just training video, but also of
the best trainers simply working their dogs . If you have a movie camera
be sure to use it.. With personal dog trainers, sport dog trainers, military and
police dog trainers....They all use a little different approach because of the task
the dog will be required to do.
Seeking alpha with your dog is a process that goes along with
the training. Gaining confidence comes in time, but will seem overwhelming
in the beginning. Nobody has really compiled a good start to finish video
series, so you may have to patch together something on your own.
In the beginning everybody uses video, not just training video, but also of
the best trainers simply working their dogs . If you have a movie camera
be sure to use it.. With personal dog trainers, sport dog trainers, military and
police dog trainers....They all use a little different approach because of the task
the dog will be required to do.
by Ruger1 on 13 August 2010 - 15:08
Phil,...This is a quote from your post..".In conclusion, "you" need to fix the problem. Others can assist and offer suggestions, but the leadership needs to come from you. Do you fully understand the principal and application of the muzzle?"...............To answer your question, No, ....I would appreciate it very much if you would expound on the these principles and applications........Thanks Ruger1
by MAINLYMAX on 13 August 2010 - 21:08
R1,
I have a question for you. I was out this morning picking up beer cans that Sam
had dumped in my yard last night. Up comes these nice kids on bicycles ask if I
would take some LDS literature, I said sure and all the sudden Pete my GSD comes
unglued. He is so nervous around stranger and aggressive.
Should platz him, out him, muzzle him.........?
Is this off lease control issue, ........?
Should I do e-collar work with good trainer and a finger kicker....?
Does the muzzle work make him less afraid of stranger...?
What would you sugest.....?......At this point......how should I as his owner handler respond...?
Who is the best off lease trainer you know of....?
Petey ripped the LDS literature to shreds...
I have a question for you. I was out this morning picking up beer cans that Sam
had dumped in my yard last night. Up comes these nice kids on bicycles ask if I
would take some LDS literature, I said sure and all the sudden Pete my GSD comes
unglued. He is so nervous around stranger and aggressive.
Should platz him, out him, muzzle him.........?
Is this off lease control issue, ........?
Should I do e-collar work with good trainer and a finger kicker....?
Does the muzzle work make him less afraid of stranger...?
What would you sugest.....?......At this point......how should I as his owner handler respond...?
Who is the best off lease trainer you know of....?
Petey ripped the LDS literature to shreds...
by Sam Spade on 13 August 2010 - 22:08
Well at least your posting about training, Max. Good to see. Me, I'd open the gates of hell and make sure the LDS don't return. Then I'd give Petey some ice cream for dessert.
by Ruger1 on 14 August 2010 - 05:08
Mainlymax....I assume you are trying to be helpful....but your post went way over my head, I have absolutely no idea of the point your trying to make...Sorry, I really feel stupid not getting it...
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