working VS Show - Page 5

Too many people talikng shit is all i am hearing. Have a nice one.

Great post Hans.  Totally agree. 

Not sure if we are getting drives mixed up with air heads again.  I have a 14 wk old pup that is doing everything right,  perfect drives, yet he is calm and listens perfectly.  I also have a female that is stuck in high gear all the time, can't seem to calm down enough to listen the first time.  Drives yes, clear headed, no, not  yet anyway. 
She is still young, (16 months)and may be slow maturing, so the verdict is not in yet, but the difference is plain to see.

Any working dog no matter the drive can live in a home. It,s all in the training you give and boundries you set. and the life style you live and what you excpect of the dog. 

I think we are all answering this from our home enviorment prespective.

I think Mystere and Bob have both hit the nail on the head.

Red Sable, is you Bomber son high drive and can it live in the house or not? Just curious.Have a nice one.

Hi Held, he is only a pup, but has alot of  toy, and food drive.  He loves to tug, and will bring it back to me to tug some more, also outs easy.  He looks me in the eyes all the time.  Very ready to play at all times, but also calm and easily taught.

These are the traits I like.

What do you consider the main drives? 

I consider prey, defense, pack and fight.  Right now of course he is  a pup and shows lots of  prey and pack, but also a clear head.  I really like him, and will get pics on soon.

* and sorry, yes, both dogs are in the house, however I do use crates.

Clear head? It wont show till you put some presure on him, that's when clear head comes to play. And since he is a pup you can't assume he is clear head because he plays nice.

Held, and some other of you, I am sure that YOU can make any high drive dog to live with you in the house. I do not know you but I would venture to say that you are quite experienced and even experts in dog handling and training. But GSD should not need to be handleable only by an expert. You are too good, thus  you are not a measure of these things. 
      Also some one said that what I am saying about GSD is "just my" opinion. And I say to that it  is "not just my" opinion but it is "also my"  opinion. Mainly it was opinion of the creator of the breed and it is an opinion of the standard of the breed AKC, SV,  or what have you. Nowhere in the standard of  SV GSD or United Schutzhund Club of USA it says (as someone above said)  that within the breed there should be different qualities of the dogs. It basically says: 

The German Shepherd should appear poised, calm, self confident, absolutely at ease, and (except when agitated) good natured, but also attentive and willing to serve. He must have courage, fighting drive, and hardness in order to serve as companion, watchdog, protection dog, service dog, and herding dog.


http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/svstandards.html


http://www.germanshepherddog.com/regulations/breed_standard.htm

Nowhere it says that his purpose should be looking pretty in a dog show or strive to win nationals. 

  Also I am aware that not every GSD is capable of being trained anything, but our effort should be such that it does. I am not expecting the same dog to being trained  everything as a   police K9 and guide for blind and also a area protection sentry dog and cancer sniffing dog  all in one dog.  Thus I do not mean, and it would be unreasonable,  that every dog can do everything as one dog. That would be unreasonable and even contradictory to require all these things from any one dog.  But what I am saying and have said is, that good GSD if taken on any single path of any of these training aspects should be able to be successful and to be good at it.  Schutzhund should be a test of these abilities, not to have a self purpose in competition. That was never the original intention!.
 I do not want this to be a divider amongst GSD people, but an unifier and something to think about . That is :
For the sake of the GSD.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com